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Following on from another thread.

I'm not interested in the history of fishing or who invented what, I don't follow any of the mags and probably couldn't name many 'named anglers'.

I'm aware of Richard Walker but thats about all, so as a serious question why is he the giant whose shoulder we all stand on? Is he really that great or was it that he influenced a certain section of anglers at a certain point of there angling life?
 

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Following on from another thread.

I'm not interested in the history of fishing or who invented what, I don't follow any of the mags and probably couldn't name many 'named anglers'.

I'm aware of Richard Walker but thats about all, so as a serious question why is he the giant whose shoulder we all stand on? Is he really that great or was it that he influenced a certain section of anglers at a certain point of there angling life?

Perhaps it would be best if you did take a bit of interest in the history of angling and did a bit of research on **** Walker so that you could form your own opinions of him. Personally I believe that **** did a lot of good for all forms of angling but I guess that I would be considered by many to be biased.
 

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Was he such a "giant"?

Think on this (I wrote on 'that' thread):
A famous quote of RW's; "You should only leave your foot prints and take only memories."

This from the man who built a bungalow next the Ouse, which has its footings still in the field! And he removed his iconic carp capture, placing it a zoo!

Do as I say, not as I do, springs to mind; bloody hypocrite!

That and Sam's answer rather says it all.
 

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Was he such a "giant"?

Think on this (I wrote on 'that' thread):
A famous quote of RW's; "You should only leave your foot prints and take only memories."

This from the man who built a bungalow next the Ouse, which has its footings still in the field! And he removed his iconic carp capture, placing it a zoo!

Do as I say, not as I do, springs to mind; bloody hypocrite!

That and Sam's answer rather says it all.

Thus speaks a man who has no knowledge or understanding of Richard Walker and even less knowledge of the arrangements behind the small chalet built on a farmer's land beside the Great Ouse. Perhaps your ire would be better directed at the louts who set fire the "The Hut" as it was called and robbed the farmer a building that would eventually have been his on his land.

To call Walker a hypocrite is ludicrous and generally reflects the jealously displayed by many who had none of the talents **** and his friends possessed and found it easier to criticise him than to struggle in an attempt to emulate his achievements
 

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If the above were the sum of it all, then, perhaps I would agree.


however, you seem to forget some 30 years of Articles in the Angling Times, a book list to include:
  • Still Water Angling
  • Drop Me A Line
  • Carp Fishing
  • Rod Building For Amateurs
  • Walker's Pitch
  • No Need To Lie
  • **** Walker's Fishing
  • Fly Dressing Innovations
  • and others
Inventions to include: The original electronic bite indicator and the arlesey bomb.

His work on the taper transitions of Split cane Rods, the MkIV Avon and the MkIV Carp rods not to mention being instrumental in the use of carbon fibre in fishing rods . . . . . . and the original patterns of such flies as the Baby Doll etc.

. . . . and much more besdies!
 

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Thus speaks a man who has no knowledge or understanding of Richard Walker and even less knowledge of the arrangements behind the small chalet built on a farmer's land beside the Great Ouse. Perhaps your ire would be better directed at the louts who set fire the "The Hut" as it was called and robbed the farmer a building that would eventually have been his on his land.

To call Walker a hypocrite is ludicrous and generally reflects the jealously displayed by many who had none of the talents **** and his friends possessed and found it easier to criticise him than to struggle in an attempt to emulate his achievements

"Small chalet" you say: http://www.fishingmagic.com/fmimages/news/rcousehut.jpg
I guess you never quantified "small" but to me it looks like a rather large blot on the landscape. I have no anger towards DW or the "louts" that burnt the bungalow down but are you sure it wasn't a poorly extinguished fag butt, perhaps the 'great' mans? In fact maybe whoever/whatever caused the fire did the landscape a service?

So how do you equate me calling DW a hypocrite to it making me envious?
I've shown evidence of his hypocracy, or is building a chalet/hut/bungalow/shed not leaving more than your footprint? What of taking away only memories, is removing a fish not going beyond a memory?

Care to show me how I'm envious?
 

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Following on from another thread.

I'm not interested in the history of fishing or who invented what, I don't follow any of the mags and probably couldn't name many 'named anglers'.

I'm aware of Richard Walker but thats about all, so as a serious question why is he the giant whose shoulder we all stand on? Is he really that great or was it that he influenced a certain section of anglers at a certain point of there angling life?

Might I suggest you do a little reading about the history of our sport. Angling has a tremendously rich history and literature; you might lose your self proclaimed ignorance, and enjoy doing it.
 

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Richard Walker obviously had great influence on modern angling. However, I'm not quite old enough to have been around at the peak of his prodigious literary output. To that end he's had very little direct bearing on me and my angling.
Similar, in a non-angling sense, can be said for the likes of Logie Baird, Graham Bell, Marconi and Berners-Lee. All have had a much larger influence on life as I know it. I don't feel the need to hero worship any of them though.
 

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"Small chalet" you say: http://www.fishingmagic.com/fmimages/news/rcousehut.jpg
I guess you never quantified "small" but to me it looks like a rather large blot on the landscape. I have no anger towards DW or the "louts" that burnt the bungalow down but are you sure it wasn't a poorly extinguished fag butt, perhaps the 'great' mans? In fact maybe whoever/whatever caused the fire did the landscape a service?

So how do you equate me calling DW a hypocrite to it making me envious?
I've shown evidence of his hypocracy, or is building a chalet/hut/bungalow/shed not leaving more than your footprint? What of taking away only memories, is removing a fish not going beyond a memory?

Care to show me how I'm envious?

It was certainly a step forward, most others of the time would have killed the fish and had it stuffed!
Jerry
 

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It was certainly a step forward, most others of the time would have killed the fish and had it stuffed!
Jerry

Stuffed and mounted above his mantlepiece, placed in a tank at a zoo, whatever - no one else can target the fish!

Perhaps selfish and hypocritical is nearer the truth?

And before I get accused of being a hater or anything else; I've always said for me as a newcomer to the sport, there were two iconic images that spurned me on, one was Chris Yates knelt next to his 50lb+ mirror carp and the other (and a lot more influential) was **** Walker holding 'that' carp.

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Richard Walker obviously had great influence on modern angling. However, I'm not quite old enough to have been around at the peak of his prodigious literary output. To that end he's had very little direct bearing on me and my angling.
Similar, in a non-angling sense, can be said for the likes of Logie Baird, Graham Bell, Marconi and Berners-Lee. All have had a much larger influence on life as I know it. I don't feel the need to hero worship any of them though.

What about the arsley bomb, I bet you use them?:D
 

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I'll leave it to others to 'quantify' what made Richard Walker special to angling......but when I bought Angling Times, his was the very first pages I turned to, humorous, thoughtful, inventive and never ever dull.
 

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I’m not one to eulogise **** Walker too much, but he was very influential in changing what angling was into what angling is today. His many articles and books over 30+odd years informed, advised, were thought provoking and if nothing else just plain interesting and enchanting to read. However, he did claim in an article written in 1983 that he had ‘long since abandoned false modesty’ by listing some of his ideas and developments, amongst which were –


  • He wrote the first ever book on stillwater fishing
  • Designed and built the first ever carp rod (although you will know of this) at first in cane, then fibre-glass, and then carbon
  • He designed the first ever net to hold a 50 lbs carp
  • The first bite-alarm
  • Arlesey bomb (as mentioned already)
  • A combination of paste and crust (my friend Frank uses this today probably because he was mentored by Walker) to produce a slow sinking bait
  • Vanes like dart flights for pike float tops (don’t suppose many use them now except carpers)
  • A rod rest that stopped the line from being trapped under the rod
  • He pointed out that FS reels needed a rotating pick-up roller when NOT ONE was in production
  • He campaigned for years for knotless keepnets (now standard by law)
  • Invented the single and double grinner knots
  • Who went racing off to Hardys to see how carbon fibre could be used in rods
  • Who was the first angler in the world to catch a trout on a carbon rod
  • Who discovered that nylon line was not ‘rot proof’ as makers claimed but suffered from oxidation
  • With the aid of an expert devised a liquid to impregnate dry flies that didn’t alter their colour
  • Who kept insisting year on year that legering was a valuable method for matchmen
  • Who advocated a streamlined float with central tube for pike to act as a slider instead of a cork bung with slit and peg
  • Who popularised the use of betalights in floats and other indicators (Peter Wheat was first, but his efforts failed as they were too weak)

For these any many other developments and inventions sparked off by his thoughts, **** Walker is still this country’s greatest angler. A good book is on sale now on Ebay.

Call him what you will, his legacy is the diverse sport we all enjoy today.
 

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In addition to the above, Walker's greatest legacy in my opinion is that as an intellectual, he dragged coarse angling by the scruff of the neck out of the image of the flat cap, creel and tap room, into a whole new world where he advanced the status of the sport tremendously.

Walker was an educated man who wrote extremely well in a language all could understand. He made other anglers think. He was The Godfather of modern angling.
 

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While I wouldn't quite go so far as to venerate Walker as a 'god', I'll leave that to others- I would place him quite highly in the all time Angling Hall of Fame.

I remember as a young lad in the 70's buying the Angling Times for two reasons, the excellent venue reports (I digress) and DW's column.

DW's column was always a must read and many of those column inches certainly helped form the angling style I have adopted today.
Just like popular angling columnists of today he touted his own methods and favourite tackle but the articles gave the knowledge to understand why the method or tackle worked and so could be adapted to local venues and what was in the tackle box at the time. None of this ready tied 'super specimen silty banana chod rig' :) etc or indeed commercial fisheries as there are now.
 

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Stuffed and mounted above his mantlepiece, placed in a tank at a zoo, whatever - no one else can target the fish!

Perhaps selfish and hypocritical is nearer the truth?

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As we know, Clarissa did find herself on show in London Zoo rather than stuffed in a glass case, an act which possibly had the biggest influence oncarp fishing, as seeing this fish in the flesh as it were opened up the possibility that people could actually catch these monsters. The rest as they say is history and the past was a very different place.
Jerry
 

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He was the original specialist angler - he has evoked a huge impression on me and my angling career.

I would have loved to have spent some time fishing with him on the banks or the Ouse or at Redmire.
 

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I don't know how many times Walker has been criticised for taking his record carp to the London Zoo, but its many times, and by people who really do not understand the situation with a record carp at that time.

Although there are those who might disagree, but Walker certainly did not want to kill Clarissa. On the other hand, and because it was over 40lbs, he wanted to prove to certain scientists that carp could grow to be over 40lbs in England. That's why he offered the fish to the London Zoo.

First of all, if that fish had been returned, any record claim would NEVER have been accepted and the scientists would have called it another "fisherman's tale". No matter how many photos had been taken or affidavids made in courts of law, that fish would NOT have been believed.

You have to understand how the mind of a scientist works. A scientists believes nothing, unless he has it on the dissecting table of his lab. And in a tank at the London Zoo was the next best thing, and of course ultimately the fish became a record.

And in those days, the re-capture of large specimen fish was somehow frowned upon. I know because I was there at the time.

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While I wouldn't quite go so far as to venerate Walker as a 'god', I'll leave that to others- I would place him quite highly in the all time Angling Hall of Fame.

I use the term "Godfather" as a metaphor. Walker was certainly no angel and was a human being in every way. He was also a hell of a womaniser, a fault that at times could have resulted in his downfall.

But old ****, wherever he went, couldn't take his eyes off women.

He tried his hardest to get off with Eric Hodson's secretary, and at angling shows in London would often have an entourage of large breasted girls from Soho in attendance.

But that's enough!
 
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