I think, Graham, that there are varying degrees of hatred. This thread, I hope, being in a light hearted vain, uses the term lightly. Should the term be venomous then please replace 'hate', in reguard to carp fishing, with 'love and admire'! Now, had I said 'dispise' then I would be worried! Yes, I love carp anglers, despite their insistance that all waters contain carp and that all anglers use boilies and bolt rigs. How can anyone not love them, after all they have brought us camo bivvy slippers to laugh at!