How do they justify the price?

mark brailsford 2 · Mar 25, 2012

I was flicking through the Daiwa catalogue yesterday and I noticed that they now sell the infinity barbel rod at nearly £300!
What I can't understand is how do they price these rods knowing that you can get a top notch custom built rod for £100 cheaper!
Do folk actually buy these rods, or any other over priced mass manufactured rods out there?
Mark

dezza · Mar 25, 2012

There is no doubt that £300.00 is a tad OTT.

I paid £135.00 each for my Harrison barbel rods 8 years ago, and in my opinion Harrisons are equal if not better than Daiwa, both rods being made in the UK.

Alan Tyler · Mar 25, 2012

But it's a barble rod, so it must be worth it, innit?

mark brailsford 2 · Mar 25, 2012

Ron The Hat Clay said:
There is no doubt that £300.00 is a tad OTT.

I paid £135.00 each for my Harrison barbel rods 8 years ago, and in my opinion Harrisons are equal if not better than Daiwa, both rods being made in the UK.

I love Daiwa gear but I would sooner have a Harrison blank for that sort of money. I suppose it's the cost of British manufacturing that pushes the prices up, sad really!

Mark

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Alan Tyler said:
But it's a barble rod, so it must be worth it, innit?

LOL, LOL, BLOODY LOL!!!

Mark

peter crabtree · Mar 25, 2012

The RRP in Daiwa catalogues is always way more than you can buy the item
in the shops, even their promo prices are higher than the price in reality.
Take no notice....

Peter Jacobs · Mar 25, 2012

peter crabtree said:
The RRP in Daiwa catalogues is always way more than you can buy the item
in the shops, even their promo prices are higher than the price in reality.
Take no notice....

Too true Simon, take a look here:

Daiwa Infinity Barbel Rods

Those prices are well on a par with the likes of Harrison's rods . . . . . .

alan whittington · Mar 25, 2012

Peter Jacobs said:
Too true Simon, take a look here:

Daiwa Infinity Barbel Rods

Those prices are well on a par with the likes of Harrison's rods . . . . . .

But am i right in saying factory builts Peter,when you go to companies like Perigrine etc,they're not(i dont think lol)

.Also that comes from me who likes the eastern manufactured 11ft 6in avon smuggler for most of my barbel fishing,its what anglers prefer and think is best,i believe Daiwa think if specialist anglers are prepared to pay large money for rods from rod makers,why shouldnt they pay top dollar for Daiwa rods,which a fair proportion of the top guys prefer.

Philip · Mar 25, 2012

I mainly buy cheaper rods nowadays and I cant say I have really ever felt handicapped by them. Unless your a tournament caster or have a very specific need I cant really see the point in paying an extortionate price for a super duper custom rod. There are some really good cheap & middle priced rods out there.

The other thing is I have noticed people often buy rods because of the description on it or the marketing blurb associated with it. Because they fish for Barbel on a big river they think they need a rod that has « Big river Barbel rod » written on it.

I am not saying that the rods sold for things like that are bad or wont do the job, its just that I see some rods that when I pick them up they dont strike me as being really suited to the job they are supposed to do. I have seen "casting" rods that had a blank that was so floppy it literally drooped under its own weight and "margin" rods that you could fish the English channel from a boat with...yet people lap them up because the have been told its the rod you MUST have.

My advice is pick a rod up and forget everything ...the name on it, the description of it etc etc. Give it a waggle, bend it against the floor or ask the guy in the shop to hold the tip and bend into it ...REALLY bend into it and see the action. Look at the length...what about the rings..the reel seat, the handle ? There is not allot to a rod really when you break it down into components. Take a look at it objectively based on what YOU will use it for. Apply some common sense .. ...are you mainly fishing small waters and all creepy crawly close in stuff ? ...if yes you dont need a distance stiff poker...

Since I started looking at rods like that I have been very happy with all the ones I have purchased because I looked at the type of fishing I wanted to use it for then picked a rod that matched it. I didnt let someone else tell me because I am fishing for say Carp in the Margins I must have « Carp Margin master Rod X »

Anyway thats my two pennies.

sam vimes · Mar 25, 2012

I know it's not fashionable to say so, particularly amongst the barbel crowd, but I'd rather have a Daiwa Infinity Barbel or Shimano Antares Concept Barbel than a Harrison. However, I'd not expect to pay anywhere near the catalogue RRP for either.

mark brailsford 2 · Mar 25, 2012

There are a lot of folks out there that will pay really over the top prices for rods because they think they have to have them no matter what the cost! Take a look at the American fly rod market, they are stupid prices but folk still buy them in there hundreds!!

Mark

alan whittington · Mar 25, 2012

Philip,your right of course when it comes to the written blab and the giving it a bend,my problems come when people i respect as anglers and friends,i mean really respect,say that a rod is perfect for 'a usage',and you cant see one at any tackle shop locally,you chance it/or you happen to see one on your travels and it turns to be as useful as a toothless saw,immaterial of price i hate buying something thats not fit for purpose.

dezza · Mar 25, 2012

Well written Philip I couldn't agree more.

I often see anglers fishing with bloody great big pit reels and rods of 3 1/2 lb TC on little lakes where a 40 yard cast is a long one, and the biggest carp might be about 25 lbs. Why they choose to use such brute gear staggers me.

terry m · Mar 25, 2012

I guess the obvious justification would be that the anglers in question can only afford one setup, so they choose a setup for the toughest environment, which then looks overgunned for a smaller venue.

As to the original question, of course the OEM RRP means very little for many manufacturers. A marketing ploy which is designed to make buyer who procure at a significantly lower price feel that they have nailed a bargain.

barbelboi · Mar 25, 2012

sam vimes said:
I know it's not fashionable to say so, particularly amongst the barbel crowd, but I'd rather have a Daiwa Infinity Barbel or Shimano Antares Concept Barbel than a Harrison. However, I'd not expect to pay anywhere near the catalogue RRP for either.

Bit loose that Sam, like saying I'd rather have a Harrison Chimera to a Shamano or Daiwa

Jerry

sam vimes · Mar 25, 2012

barbelboi said:
Bit loose that Sam, like saying I'd rather have a Harrison Chimera to a Shamano or Daiwa
Jerry

OK, I'll narrow it down a bit for you. I'd rather have either of the mentioned than any Torrix or Chimera barbel rod that I've clapped my hands on so far. Is that more acceptable?

barbelboi · Mar 25, 2012

sam vimes said:
OK, I'll narrow it down a bit for you. I'd rather have either of the mentioned than any Torrix or Chimera barbel rod that I've clapped my hands on so far. Is that more acceptable?

Yes

Jerry

sam vimes · Mar 25, 2012

barbelboi said:
Yes
Jerry

Excellent, I'll sleep better tonight!

barbelboi · Mar 25, 2012

sam vimes said:
Excellent, I'll sleep better tonight!

I didn't say I agreed with you Sam - take your Horlix

Jerry

sam vimes · Mar 25, 2012

barbelboi said:
I didn't say I agreed with you Sam - take your Horlix
Jerry

Not for one moment did I think you had agreed with me, not that it matters a toss anyway. No Horlicks required. Go fishing straight after a night shift and you sleep like the dead the following night.

tigger · Mar 25, 2012

IMO Daiwa are far better blanks than Harrison. I would say any of the top end off the peg rods are as good if not better than the custom made rods. If I thought they weren't all my rods would be custom made.

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