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pete proctor

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Excellent article and it will certainly help me to gain a few metres when I'm trying to reach some far mark.

But one thing I'd like to ask is, does size matter? and I'm being serious!

I'm not very tall (5' 7") and Victoria Beckham has got more muscles than me, so have I got any chance of reaching the likes of 150m like some big lads can? best I can do now is about 90m.
 
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Pete

Size isn't everything... oo er! 90% of a cast is in the technique and timing a bigger person with a good technique in theory should cast further but only if the gear being used will allow that.

If you look at the size stature of the countries renowned big casters (in the carp world) you'll see that the likes of Frank Warwick, Mark Hutchinson and John Carver are in no way giants yet can cast huge distances. Andy Green - the first guy to hit 300yds + in a tournament using Beach gear is 5' 3", yet belgian giant Danny Moeskops is over 6ft and 24 stone - they compete evenly.

It is about timing and technique and having the right set up for your build. I fished a shore match last year and borrowed a rod from a friend, it was an all singing top of the range Diawa and I couldn't even bend the thing with 6ozs of lead on it, I borrowed a mates cheapy Shakespeare and got about 30 yds more and found I could control everything - The Diawa when I did get it compressed nearly through me into the sea ith the lead and slowing the cast etc was nigh on impossible.

Rik

Have we an invite to the Oscar ceremony? We should be up for Best Direction methinks!!!

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pete proctor

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Rob, thanks for that, I'll get practising! I think my main problem is that I can't get my head round it porperly. There's always part of me thats scared of catching the tackle on the ground or something behind me, and part of me thats scared of breaking the rod. If I could just forget about all that and put all my cencentration on making a good cast I think that would make all the difference.
 
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Rob Thompson

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The best way to learn is to get out on a playing field, a school field is best if they have a running track marked out, you get something to measure your progress on. You should have plenty of space and none of the bankside obstacles in your way.

A few lessons from an instructor will not cost you the earth and will improve everything about your casting; confidence, stance, speed and technique. If you are worried about things like the rod breaking, slow everything down - don't try heaving bloody great P.V.A bags - start with a couple of ounces of lead and work your way up - Use a leather finger stall and any mishaps won't leave your finger red raw. As you become more confident it will all fall into place. It's like learning to ride a bike once you can do it you'll never forget, your body just becomes used to the movements etc.

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Thanks very much, very helpful, I'll let you know how I did when I've had a few goes. I suppose I shouldn't be scared of the rod breaking when you see that bend in Carp Anglers rod in the video!
 
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Rob Brownfield

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It's well worth getting some of the long range casting videos put out by Sea Angler, Paul Kerry etc etc. You will not believe the distance these guys get with a seemingly effortless flick.

We coarse anglers are miles behind these guys. One thing that is very important is balanced tackle. A beachcaster (quality one that is) will have the best casting weight printed on it, nothing about test curves etc. This is what the carp rods makers should do. If a rod states 5 oz, then 5oz is the optimum weight, no questions asked :)

When you compare a long range carp rod that is being used with 4oz leads, and a tornament beachcaster designed for 4oz, you will laugh. The carp rod looks like a garden cane in comparrison.

I think it was Simpsons tackle who took a tournement caster and gave him a recognised long range carp rod and a tournament rod and asked him to cast. He was hitting 250 yards with the beach rod, and 190 odd with the carp rod, until it shattered. 60 yards is a big difference!

Balanced tackle, timing and good technique are the keys to long casts.
 
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Austin Buchan

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Has any-one thought of trying a clip down
rig the same as the sea boys do.
Would it be practical?, if so aerodynamics
would also be improved for distance.
If using a helicopter rig and on clean/ silt bottoms would it be a problem.?
 
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Rob Thompson

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I first used clipped down rigs about ten years ago (and got some funny looks I can tell you), not for distance but for small spots in weeds. I used it with some success but was never entirely happy with it as I was always paranoid about the rig separating properly. With shore angling if any problems are incurred your next cast is only a few minutes away - with carping I lacked the confidence to leave a bait out for more than a couple of hours. The clips have changed dramatically since I tried but I have not needed to try them again.

Last year some of the big casters that I mentioned in a prvious reply started to mess about with them - I'm sure their results will start to filter through this year. And the clips will be ten times the price of the shore anglers types!!

Rob
 
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Rob Brownfield

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have a look at the Breakaway bait shield in black for fishing in silt/soft bottoms.

A word of warning though...dont try them with braid hooklengths and hairs..use stiff nylon...seperation of the hook and shield is 100%.

i have also tried them when deadbaiting. With a small bait, I can add a fair bit to the cast..but best of all..no spinning in the air!
 
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Gary Knowles

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Hi Rob,

Thanks for sorting the Power pro braid out (last year - Canada). If you still want some of the slides let me know.

I'm still using it for my lure fishing. tremendous stuff and at a very competitive price.

Thanks again...

Gary
 
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Rob Brownfield

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Good examples of long range casting from the world record holder. Although he is using a multiplier, the same technique is used for fiked spool. notice how easy he makes it look. Also notice his feet are firmly planted on the ground. This is something that has been drummed into me by casting instructors.
http://neilmackellow.sea-angler.org/otg.html

Another good site is this one, http://www.fujitackle.com/enewgcB.html As you are all aware, fuji know a thing or two about rings. There advice these days is to choke the line fairly quickly, decrease the size of the rings after the final "choke ring" and finally, increase the number of rings to allow the line to follow the curve of the rod better. Fasinating articles, if you are into this sort of thing.

One last thing, have a look at tournament fixed spool reels, you may be supprised at what is now being used. The spool diameters are comming DOWN, but the spool length is INCREASING. This means line comes off in a much smaller coil, therefore promoting far les line slap on the blank. The line level does not drop too much because the spool is long..almost twice as long as a "big pit reel". Now, I must state that these reels (mitchell and shimano make ones) are VERY expensive and VERY specialised. They are used in the 1-3 oz class casting competitions using approximately 10-12 pound line (it goes by diameter, not poundage in a tournement) They could not be used for fishing as the spindles could not take the pressure of a big fish.

What i am getting at is that ideas are changing all the time. For those of you, like me, who build rods and take a keen interest in casting, this is a facinating subject that leads to some pretty heated debates! If any of you get the chance, go and watch a casting competition, then go home and snap your rods :)
 
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Carp Angler

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I know that you take a keen interest in distance fishing Rob and you know alot about rods.
The biggest factor to increase your casting distance is technique.

Lessons with a casting instructor and practice, practice, practice will improve your distance.
 
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Rob Brownfield

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Won't improve mine mate..hehe..

On another thought, is it not strange that a few years ago, everyone was rushing out and buying 3 pound test curve Armalites for long range fishing...yet ther are a soft all through action rod! Same with the Ballistas.
 
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Rob Thompson

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That's because 90% of Carp Anglers know everything and can't / won't be told - trust me I deal with them every day!!!
 
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Rob Brownfield

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heheheh...well, I have just had an interesting conversation with Dr Steve Harrison from Harrison blanks, and i am glade to say that he agrees with me regarding the ringing of long range carp rods :)

Stay tuned for more on this subject when i start my rod building article for Graham...

ps. I have 3 pound tc armalites...good for close range pike, but thats about all..lol
 

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Any chance that when you next talk to Dr Harrison, you might mention the possibility of a 'Stealth' long range rod, marked only with casting weight (could be in code - 4 small dots mean 4 ozs) that any carp/pike/bass angler could use?
Just a thought
 
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Rob Brownfield

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Thats a very good idea. He was talking about casting weights etc. He mentioned a range of rods he does for a Belgian tackle shop that is designed for ULTRA long range fishing. He was saying they get them returned with the blanks heavily scuffed between the reel and the butt ring due to line slap (worse with braid).

He has to sell what people want..so still does rods with "standard" long range ringing, even though he knows that its "maybe", and I state "maybe" not the best option. As I said before, this is a huge debating point amoungst distance casters, and i think its one that will rage for ever :)
 
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Martin Quadling

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Just a quick question:how do you play the clip?,i have downloaded the free media player(my previous version only gave me sound)but all that happens is the screen says "connecting",no downloading is occuring(56k modem),what am i missing?.

Quaddie
 

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Sorry this reply has taken so long - but you already know my thoughts about 'Long distance'. I have watched your video clip a number of times, but it appears to me that the curve on the rod you are using has gone 'flat' just above the spigot (I am assuming it is a two piece rod) The butt section does not appear to be in full compression, while the tip section seems to be fully compressed, and offering no resistance at all. All the power of the rod appears to be concentrated in an area approx 30 cms below the spigot. I would have expected to rod to have shown a more parabolic curve under compression if the loading was balanced. Your comments would be appreciated
 
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