How to Tie the Knotless Knot

Chris Bettis · Feb 20, 2008

A good clear explanation that is easy to follow and makes tying this very clear.

Perhaps you may think about during a similar job with the Grinner.Many of those I see are very different to the way **** Walker showed me and I suspect not as secure.

The Gooner · Feb 20, 2008

Great photos and easy to understand. One question though, how can you achieve the same effect with nylon on a water which prohibits braided hooklengths?

Paul H · Feb 20, 2008

By using mono instead of braid...

Sorry Mr Gooner, I'm unsure what you're unsure about. Tie exactly the same knot in exactly the same way just using a good quality mono hooklength material.

What sort of 'effect' are you looking for?

The Gooner · Feb 20, 2008

Braid doesn't have the memory of nylon so I'd assume nylon would untie itself unlike braid which says put quite nicely.

Haven't I seen somewhere that you have to glue a knotless nylon knot in place? May be wrong of course.

Graham Marsden (ACA) · Feb 20, 2008

No, a knotless knot in mono won't untie itself, and especially so once the shrink tube has been applied if you're following Ian's guide to the letter.

Some anglers put a dab of superglue on a knotless knot tied from mono, but this is more of an extra insurance rather than a necessity.

Frothey · Feb 20, 2008

you dont really need the shrink tube with mono - it'll give the same effect without. and like Graham says, even without glue it wont undo itself.

Paul H · Feb 20, 2008

The shrink tubing part although a personal prference isn't even necessary with mono due to its stiffer nature. Especially if using hooks with a down-turned eye.

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Oops, hello Frothey.

Bryan Baron 2 · Feb 20, 2008

Have noticed when using some mono's that the knot loosens but it as never untied and with a bait on the hair it would never get back through the eye.

The Gooner · Feb 20, 2008

Thanks folks - that's good to know.

Paul H · Feb 20, 2008

Here is another rig article Mr Gooner.

The Gooner · Feb 20, 2008

Cheers Paul - I'm fine with braided rigs just haven't really tried monofilament versions...

Ian Gemson · Feb 20, 2008

Gooner have a look here mate. Flouro or Mono needs a slightly different knot due to the springy nature of the line wanting o come undone during the fight.

http://smartcarping.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-to-tie-mono-or-flouro-hooklenght.html

Graham will be posting many of my articles in the coming weeks and months. I will try and do a Grinner Knot How To feature as well.

Bryan Baron 2 · Feb 21, 2008

Rik advocatedback whippingas well. If i remember right.

Ian Gemson · Feb 21, 2008

Thanks Bryan back whipping locks the knot in place. I am not to sure about super glue and mono I think it can weaken the knot. Also you dont need to use a heat shrink kicker with mono as the line give you the kicker effect.

Frothey · Feb 21, 2008

i think bryan's on about carrying the whipping back past the hairs exit to lock it in place andto make it stand proud - i do it ( after seeing Rik do it!) on all my rigs that dont have a blow back, but a bit pointless if they do,

Ian Gemson · Feb 21, 2008

Frothy is bryan not talking about what I have in the photo link above back whipping

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