Difficulty tying hair rig loops?

laguna · Sep 16, 2012

Tying a overhand knot to form a tiny loop on the tag end of a hair rig can be a little tricky, especially for those who have dexterity problems, impaired vision, MS sufferers etc.

Would you say tying a loop on the hair is the most difficult aspect of making up hair rigs?

There are tools and alternatives to help so what if any of these do you use?

S-Kippy · Sep 16, 2012

I find tying small near loops a bit of a pain so I use one of these.

Cheap as chips [£1.50] and does the job.

guest61 · Sep 16, 2012

I don't bother with attempting a tiny loop; I tie a large loop in the hair material and 'hitch' it to the hook. (This sounds more complex than it is) I slide the bait on and fit the stop as usual. If I want the hair to come off a particular part of the hook I use a bit of silicone over the hook - works for me.

I'm sure if all we wish hard enough Korda will invent something to help us do this, just to give us an 'edge' on pressurised day ticket waters that we all fish

steph mckenzie · Sep 16, 2012

I use the same as Skippy, excellent little tool (not skippy)

Ties perfect loops every time, you can form a larger loop and then us the Seymo Loop Tyer to shorten it right down until it tightens.

barbelboi · Sep 16, 2012

I can still see OK......................... you've lost your shades Steph

Jerry

laguna · Sep 16, 2012

What if the loop was done away with altogether, would that appeal to anglers?

guest61 · Sep 16, 2012

laguna said:
What if the loop was done away with altogether, would that appeal to anglers?

Have you been in your inventing shed again..?

laguna · Sep 16, 2012

bottle rocket said:
Have you been in your inventing shed again..?

A hair rig without a loop does sound ridiculous doesn't it? :wh

Titus · Sep 16, 2012

Can't say as I've ever had a problem, despite having rheumatoid arthritis for the last 15 years. I do occasionally use a baiting hook to pull the loop through though.

cg74 · Sep 16, 2012

Tying a loop at the end of your hair is made easy by; threading the line through a bait band, loop the line back on itself and tie a loop using a simple overhand knot, then just cut the band off.

What gets hard when you have poor dexterity is tying the knotless knot, especially gripping the hook and whipped line on the shank, whilst trying to feed the line back through the hook eye.

Oh yeah, albright knots are right **** when tying combi-rigs.

sagalout · Sep 17, 2012

I tie the loop as though it is going to be and once it is formed I put a knot picker (Korum quick stop needle) into the knot to stop it from closing and then fine the loop down to the required size.

robthomo · Sep 17, 2012

laguna said:
What if the loop was done away with altogether, would that appeal to anglers?

It's been done in various guises hasn't it, the Korum stop comes to mind

Personally I find tying loops dead easy I just tie a simple granny knot using a baiting needle to pull the loop through and also tighten down to if need be and then another granny knot to lock it

Peter Jacobs · Sep 17, 2012

I don't use a special tool but simply employ a disgorger and a knot picker needle.

You make your loop as normal, then make the overhand knot.

Then you place the disgorger into the loop end and the needle into the loop formed by the overhand knot.

Tighten by helping the overhand knot get tight againt the disgorger and then remover the needle for final tightening.

Sounds complicated but it is so simple in practice.

By varying the diameter of the 'tool' that you use in the main loop you can tie all of your loops and thereby hooklengths and/or pole rigs to the exact same size . . . . . squeeks . . simples!

Lord Paul of Sheffield · Sep 17, 2012

I've been using bthe korum quick stop for a about 3 years but for heavy bs line I still tie the loop knot - tied a few braided short hook lengths up last week and didn't have much difficulty but would be intrested in any new gizmo

agamemnon · Sep 17, 2012

am i looking at this wrong?
i get a length of braid and then before i do anything i fold one end over and tie a loop. i dont really care how big the loop is at this point as long as its not more than an inch long its fine. i then use knotless knot to fix the hook in place and feed a small length of silicon over the free end of the braid and run it down the shank of the hook so i can hold the hair in whatever position and bobs your uncle on quick tied hair rig

Titus · Sep 17, 2012

That's basically what I do as well. The loop is hidden inside the bait so who cares how big it is so long as the bait covers it.

S-Kippy · Sep 17, 2012

Titus said:
That's basically what I do as well. The loop is hidden inside the bait so who cares how big it is so long as the bait covers it.

I quite agree...but when using small[er] baits then I often found my loops didn't...so I forked out 30 bob and now they do.

laguna · Sep 21, 2012

Lord Paul of Sheffield said:
I've been using bthe korum quick stop for a about 3 years but for heavy bs line I still tie the loop knot - tied a few braided short hook lengths up last week and didn't have much difficulty but would be intrested in any new gizmo

Agree Paul, the quick stop is arguably the best out there (at the moment)

Product announcement on FM imminent...

guest61 · Sep 21, 2012

laguna said:
Agree Paul, the quick stop is arguably the best out there (at the moment)

Product announcement on FM imminent...

See post #7

alan whittington · Sep 24, 2012

I've been lucky,i've always been able to tie 6-8mm loops in most materials(which i learnt to tie in the dark in my younger days,i doubt i could do it now,but it helped),including 12lb fluorocarbon,braid i find simple,very rarely do i have problems,mostly in the tightening stage,when care needs to be taken.I must say i'd rather have a small neat loop on the hair than a large one,but thats just me.

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