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I'm not familiar with their current range but I have a Sundridge bib and long overcoat with detachable inner fleece, hood, neoprene cuffs etc which have given me years of good use if it's any use as an alternative, it's the warmest and most windproof thing i've ever used and I wouldn't swap them for a gold pig.
I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing you're after but i've found that gear made for walking is generally lighter than that for fishing:
CRAGHOPPERS Men’s Kiwi GORE-TEX Jacket | eBay
I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing you're after but i've found that gear made for walking is generally lighter than that for fishing:
CRAGHOPPERS Men’s Kiwi GORE-TEX Jacket | eBay
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Ok thats good to know tiinker. Guess i just really want a waterproof yet breathable jaket. Know its not the easiest thing to find witch is why im asking.
Yes thats the kind of thing im looking for binker,much prefer walking/outdoor clothing brands to fishing clothing.
Yes thats the kind of thing im looking for binker,much prefer walking/outdoor clothing brands to fishing clothing.
you won't get a Goretex jacket for less than £150, not a new one anyway. but why Goretex? Yes, I have been using outdoor clothing made with Goretex for over 30 years (Yes, it actually came onto the outdoor market in 1979!) and I love the stuff, but IMO unless you are a serious hill walker and general outdoor freak like me, then you don't really need to spend that much money on a decent warm and wind proof jacket (or bib and brace) Do what binka says and take a good look at the Sundridge gear, its really good stuff and warm!
A lot of folk don't realize that clothing lined with Goretex membrane is just windproof and waterproof and unless you wear something very warm underneath (and you should allways wear man made fibres next to the skin, NOT Cotton!) you are going still going to get cold if you are static!
Gore products and clothing made using Goretex are top notch and after many years they are still top of the tree when it comes to waterproof/windproof Garments ( though E VENT is good) IMO the products are to expensive to be used for fishing...Unless you are a rich game fisherman that is
PS: If you have £100 to spend and want something for mobile lure fishing AND biking then take a look at the Buffalo special 6 shirt, it is a superb bit of kit! These shirts are made from windproof Pertex and lined with a pile called Aquatherm, you wear them with nothing underneath so the pile is close to the skin. They are not waterproof (and would not work properly if they were) but if you keep on the move when wet you will stay very warm and I mean VERY warm! Buffalo have been worn by the Army and mountain rescue teams for years and best of all they are made in Sheffield! take a look at the reviews online, Buffalo have a site and there are good reviews on sites like Sports warehouse. Once you have one of these you will never look back. Oh, they come in NATO green, just right for fishing
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Mate, take a look on SPORTSSHOES. COM and search Montane. They are a British company specialising in lightweight outdoor gear and its really good Quality stuff! they have some nice Cycling clothing as well as walking Jackets. I have been using their trousers and jackets for years now and I am well imprest
A lot of folk don't realize that clothing lined with Goretex membrane is just windproof and waterproof and unless you wear something very warm underneath (and you should allways wear man made fibres next to the skin, NOT Cotton!) you are going still going to get cold if you are static!
Gore products and clothing made using Goretex are top notch and after many years they are still top of the tree when it comes to waterproof/windproof Garments ( though E VENT is good) IMO the products are to expensive to be used for fishing...Unless you are a rich game fisherman that is
PS: If you have £100 to spend and want something for mobile lure fishing AND biking then take a look at the Buffalo special 6 shirt, it is a superb bit of kit! These shirts are made from windproof Pertex and lined with a pile called Aquatherm, you wear them with nothing underneath so the pile is close to the skin. They are not waterproof (and would not work properly if they were) but if you keep on the move when wet you will stay very warm and I mean VERY warm! Buffalo have been worn by the Army and mountain rescue teams for years and best of all they are made in Sheffield! take a look at the reviews online, Buffalo have a site and there are good reviews on sites like Sports warehouse. Once you have one of these you will never look back. Oh, they come in NATO green, just right for fishing
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Mate, take a look on SPORTSSHOES. COM and search Montane. They are a British company specialising in lightweight outdoor gear and its really good Quality stuff! they have some nice Cycling clothing as well as walking Jackets. I have been using their trousers and jackets for years now and I am well imprest
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You can get new army Goretex well within your price range, however it's probably not suitable for cycling if you want to be seen.
ACTIVE GORETEX JACKET - 100% WATERPROOF-BRAND NEW-USED BY BRITISH ARMY- 170/112 | eBay
If you google 'Thistle garments' these made goretex gear under licence for the british army a few years back but they also did stuff for the navy and various brighter bits and pieces possibly suitable for cycling. They had a sale and some of us got some superb deals on brand new stock they may have some left if you give them a call. I think I got jacket and trousers for something like £25 for the pair.
I think a lot of the walking type jackets would not be hard wearing enough if when you push through bushes and trees on the bank, some of it feels very lightweight and looks as though it would rip easily.
At the ebay price above I'd be inclined to get an army goretex for fishing and a decent lightweight bright yellow thing for cycling!
ACTIVE GORETEX JACKET - 100% WATERPROOF-BRAND NEW-USED BY BRITISH ARMY- 170/112 | eBay
If you google 'Thistle garments' these made goretex gear under licence for the british army a few years back but they also did stuff for the navy and various brighter bits and pieces possibly suitable for cycling. They had a sale and some of us got some superb deals on brand new stock they may have some left if you give them a call. I think I got jacket and trousers for something like £25 for the pair.
I think a lot of the walking type jackets would not be hard wearing enough if when you push through bushes and trees on the bank, some of it feels very lightweight and looks as though it would rip easily.
At the ebay price above I'd be inclined to get an army goretex for fishing and a decent lightweight bright yellow thing for cycling!
I agree with what Mark has said.
I used to work outside almost every day for over 30years and trailed the first GoreTex jackets aimed at the UK market.
Yes it's brilliant material but it has its drawbacks when used for fishing, one being that if the surface becomes covered in mud/clay/ground-bait it ceases to be waterproof or breathable, another that it delaminates (the material is made up of layers fused together) if repetitive movement/folding or the material goes on for long periods, this is why the elbows and shoulder areas are reinforced on the high-end jackets and trousers, and why you should not buy anything previously used.
GoreTex jackets are designed to be part of the layered clothing system as Mark has referred. This means 100gm micro fleece undergarment, some type of 150gm shirt/pullover, a full zipped fleece jacket (200-300gm) and finally the outer shell.
Dressed like this the wearer can stay warm in -15C conditions and ventilate as and when required (a requirement of the Health and Safety at Work Act for outdoor workers).
For info; I've just ordered a Daiwa Wilderness Jacket (best price Fosters + free P&P) and I have a 4 sets of GoreTex jackets and trousers hanging in my fishing room!
I used to work outside almost every day for over 30years and trailed the first GoreTex jackets aimed at the UK market.
Yes it's brilliant material but it has its drawbacks when used for fishing, one being that if the surface becomes covered in mud/clay/ground-bait it ceases to be waterproof or breathable, another that it delaminates (the material is made up of layers fused together) if repetitive movement/folding or the material goes on for long periods, this is why the elbows and shoulder areas are reinforced on the high-end jackets and trousers, and why you should not buy anything previously used.
GoreTex jackets are designed to be part of the layered clothing system as Mark has referred. This means 100gm micro fleece undergarment, some type of 150gm shirt/pullover, a full zipped fleece jacket (200-300gm) and finally the outer shell.
Dressed like this the wearer can stay warm in -15C conditions and ventilate as and when required (a requirement of the Health and Safety at Work Act for outdoor workers).
For info; I've just ordered a Daiwa Wilderness Jacket (best price Fosters + free P&P) and I have a 4 sets of GoreTex jackets and trousers hanging in my fishing room!
Have a look at the chub vantage weathershield they come in seperate coat and trousers Iam waiting for a set to come in that I have ordered they are lightweight but I tried som on and they look and feel like they will do the job I paid about £ioo for the two.
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My friends son is in the army has been for more than ten years and he reckons thats if gortex is not kept very clean it ceases to do its job and if you creat a pressure point say with your elbow or any part that comes in contact with the ground under pressure it will leak like a seive as I say it s not a miracle material I have two pair of Gortex over trousers and as long as you do not kneel or sit in a puddle they are okay but very expensive.
I think everything has it's limits, however with decent layers on underneath I've found the army goretex spot on for my style of fishing. I rarely take a brolly.
All told though the best bit of gear I had was the Sundridge igloo, jacket and bib and brace, not the newer model, I think it was a MkII or maybe MkIII, even that eventually gave up the ghost after about 8 years or so, brilliant bit of kit though.
Edit. Just googled the new igloo, still comes with a 2yr guarantee, so maybe worth a look, I think the earlier versions were more hard wearing though.
All told though the best bit of gear I had was the Sundridge igloo, jacket and bib and brace, not the newer model, I think it was a MkII or maybe MkIII, even that eventually gave up the ghost after about 8 years or so, brilliant bit of kit though.
Edit. Just googled the new igloo, still comes with a 2yr guarantee, so maybe worth a look, I think the earlier versions were more hard wearing though.
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Sean Meeghan
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slightly over budget, but top quality and a bargain at the price-http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/marmot-mens-vagabond-jacket-11111251?id_colour=104
Goretex does have it's drawbacks, but some people make the mistake of thinking the garment is leaking when in fact its condensation building up on the inside of the jacket which happens when the air temperature on the outside of the jacket is the same as on the inside, like on very hot humid days when walking at a pace, the moisture will disperse through the fabric as soon as you slow down or stop and give the PTFE (the Goretex) membrane chance to work. Also, if the garments become soiled on the outside fabric (or the inside!) the membrane cannot work because the millions of pores that it consists of cannot transfer moisture.
GORETEX DOES NOT LEAK, FACT!
On the subject of the durability of Goretex, well that depends on the outer fabric. manufactures of outdoor clothing used to make two types of Goretex, two layer and three layer. The three layer garments consist of an outer layer of hard wearing, heavy duty nylon (still light though!) and a liner and the PTFE membrane (the Goretex) was bonded in between the two. The two layer garments consisted of an outer of lightweight nylon and a drop liner with the Goretex bonded to this. The two layer stuff was not very hard wearing and has since been replaced with Goretex paclight which is basically used for high activity sports like cycling. The three layer system as been renamed performance, there is a third (the best of the best) called Pro, but this top flight stuff is very expensive, My Jacket cost nearly £400, so don't expect to see me wearing that on a muddy, Bramble strew riverside!!
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Very good stuff Paramo Sean, my mate will not wear nothing else, but the Buffalo system is far superior (and Cheaper!) and is easier to care for
GORETEX DOES NOT LEAK, FACT!
On the subject of the durability of Goretex, well that depends on the outer fabric. manufactures of outdoor clothing used to make two types of Goretex, two layer and three layer. The three layer garments consist of an outer layer of hard wearing, heavy duty nylon (still light though!) and a liner and the PTFE membrane (the Goretex) was bonded in between the two. The two layer garments consisted of an outer of lightweight nylon and a drop liner with the Goretex bonded to this. The two layer stuff was not very hard wearing and has since been replaced with Goretex paclight which is basically used for high activity sports like cycling. The three layer system as been renamed performance, there is a third (the best of the best) called Pro, but this top flight stuff is very expensive, My Jacket cost nearly £400, so don't expect to see me wearing that on a muddy, Bramble strew riverside!!
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Very good stuff Paramo Sean, my mate will not wear nothing else, but the Buffalo system is far superior (and Cheaper!) and is easier to care for
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Sean Meeghan
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That's true for walking, climbing or any activity that involves moderate exertion Mark, but not for sitting or standing still for several hours. My stepson is in the Royal Marines and he finds the Paramo best for long periods of waiting to kill someone.
That's true for walking, climbing or any activity that involves moderate exertion Mark, but not for sitting or standing still for several hours. My stepson is in the Royal Marines and he finds the Paramo best for long periods of waiting to kill someone.
I do like the Paramo top Sean, ever since I saw a nice royal blue one in Go outdoors last year, but I tend to buy outdoor clothing like I buy fishing tackle and I have to control my urge, you know what I mean Sean, don't you
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you won't get a Goretex jacket for less than £150, not a new one anyway. but why Goretex? Yes, I have been using outdoor clothing made with Goretex for over 30 years (Yes, it actually came onto the outdoor market in 1979!) and I love the stuff, but IMO unless you are a serious hill walker and general outdoor freak like me, then you don't really need to spend that much money on a decent warm and wind proof jacket (or bib and brace) Do what binka says and take a good look at the Sundridge gear, its really good stuff and warm!
A lot of folk don't realize that clothing lined with Goretex membrane is just windproof and waterproof and unless you wear something very warm underneath (and you should allways wear man made fibres next to the skin, NOT Cotton!) you are going still going to get cold if you are static!
Gore products and clothing made using Goretex are top notch and after many years they are still top of the tree when it comes to waterproof/windproof Garments ( though E VENT is good) IMO the products are to expensive to be used for fishing...Unless you are a rich game fisherman that is
PS: If you have £100 to spend and want something for mobile lure fishing AND biking then take a look at the Buffalo special 6 shirt, it is a superb bit of kit! These shirts are made from windproof Pertex and lined with a pile called Aquatherm, you wear them with nothing underneath so the pile is close to the skin. They are not waterproof (and would not work properly if they were) but if you keep on the move when wet you will stay very warm and I mean VERY warm! Buffalo have been worn by the Army and mountain rescue teams for years and best of all they are made in Sheffield! take a look at the reviews online, Buffalo have a site and there are good reviews on sites like Sports warehouse. Once you have one of these you will never look back. Oh, they come in NATO green, just right for fishing
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Mate, take a look on SPORTSSHOES. COM and search Montane. They are a British company specialising in lightweight outdoor gear and its really good Quality stuff! they have some nice Cycling clothing as well as walking Jackets. I have been using their trousers and jackets for years now and I am well imprest
Yes you can and I did. I bought a Sprayway GORTEX jacket for £60. Reduced from £200. Bargain!!
I got it from the closing down sale at Outdoor World in Warrington. Sadly closed now after a big **** off Decathlon opened directly opposite! Another well established family run business closed down by the multiples. It all started when the road works (put in place for services to the new decathlon) prevented people from gaining access to outdoor world. This was months before decathlon even opened.
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I can beat that, My wife bought me a brand new with tags Hacket jacket for £3 off a boot sale, It was too small for her husband and they bought it in London and could not be bothered to return it.
It's the best casual jacket I have ever owned.
It's the best casual jacket I have ever owned.
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i bought a 3in1 spray way gortex from amazon £47.99 last month for fishing in heres the link.
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I've had various breathable jackets, mainly for wading or shooting over the years and all of them eventually start to let in water, usually when they get mucky.
To stop me using my wading jacket for maggot dangling. (She bought it for me and she has made it clear that its too good to get bream slime, ground bait and the like, all over it... Who am I to argue??) She decided to get me a waterproof/breathable jacket with bib and brace for Christmas. Non of your fancy tackle tart stuff this, just hardwaring, lightweight, easy clean agricultural stuff. If it good enough for farmers and the like, its good enough for me to use when dangling a maggot! It was good value too, got the lot for the price of a cheap "named" jacket. I've had a similar pair of over trousers for over 20 years and they are still going strong.
A good friend of mine suggested this kind of stuff years ago when he was a park ranger in the Brecon Beacons. If it can stand that kind of weather it'll certainly stand 5 hours on the bank. (I use a brolly, anyway)
The other good thing is, you can hose it down to get rid of the mud which I always seem to get covered in. Don't need proofing either.
Ok, its just a shell, but thats all I need as I tend to wear adquate thermals when needed and it rolls up and fits in my seatbox.
If it lasts 2 or 3 season, I think its money well spent.
To stop me using my wading jacket for maggot dangling. (She bought it for me and she has made it clear that its too good to get bream slime, ground bait and the like, all over it... Who am I to argue??) She decided to get me a waterproof/breathable jacket with bib and brace for Christmas. Non of your fancy tackle tart stuff this, just hardwaring, lightweight, easy clean agricultural stuff. If it good enough for farmers and the like, its good enough for me to use when dangling a maggot! It was good value too, got the lot for the price of a cheap "named" jacket. I've had a similar pair of over trousers for over 20 years and they are still going strong.
A good friend of mine suggested this kind of stuff years ago when he was a park ranger in the Brecon Beacons. If it can stand that kind of weather it'll certainly stand 5 hours on the bank. (I use a brolly, anyway)
The other good thing is, you can hose it down to get rid of the mud which I always seem to get covered in. Don't need proofing either.
Ok, its just a shell, but thats all I need as I tend to wear adquate thermals when needed and it rolls up and fits in my seatbox.
If it lasts 2 or 3 season, I think its money well spent.