The tackle shop rig display

flightliner · May 13, 2013

I was in my tackle shop last week and was looking at the carp/big fish rig display and to be honest was at a loss to figure out how some of items worked without a little more scrutiny

and other bits and bobs that tho ok for their intended purpose could still be omitted from a tackle box without any threat to catching fish

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Other items tho were a real advancement on what was available in days gone by.
Anyone think along the same lines.?

Lord Paul of Sheffield · May 13, 2013

I do sometime think some rigs are over complicated - but I'm a simple bloke and like to keep my fishing the same

guest61 · May 13, 2013

flightliner said:
I was in my tackle shop last week and was looking at the carp/big fish rig display and to be honest was at a loss to figure out how some of items worked without a little more scrutiny and other bits and bobs that tho ok for their intended purpose could still be omitted from a tackle box without any threat to catching fish.
Other items tho were a real advancement on what was available in days gone by.
Anyone think along the same lines.?

Yes I totally agree but only for my own fishing. If someone wants to spend money on such paraphernalia its fine by me.

sam vimes · May 13, 2013

Commercially made carp fishing rigs often catch as many anglers as they do fish. However, that's not to say that they are all pointless. The snag is that many use overly complicated rigs where they aren't really necessary. If and when I do go full on carp fishing, I doubt that I use much more than three different self made rigs (or very slight variations thereof). However, I'm not fishing waters where the fish are unduly rig shy. My sole concession to further complication is the use of Nash Triggalink, mainly because I got a job lot cheap and it seems to provoke better, more obvious, runs.

Regardless of the style of angling, there's an awful lot of tackle that could be safely omitted from a tackle box without any real threat to catching fish. However, it might just catch you a few extra if you choose what to take wisely.

Derek Gibson · May 13, 2013

Flight,
Reminds me of the time I talked old Tommy Cross into a visit to Bennets tackle shop, when their premises were on West Bar. Tommy was in his early 70s at the time, and a well known roach master. After about an hour in the shop, during which time he checked everything intently. On the drive home I asked him what he thought, he looked at me and smiled and said ''I never realised that there was so much stuff I didn't need''. I was a bit shocked, and remember thinking it must be down to old age, and perhaps that's true, for on the odd occasions I call in at various tackle shops, his words ring loudly in my mind, and I find myself in total agreement with his sentiment.

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Lord Paul of Sheffield · May 13, 2013

On lightly stocked ultra hard waters then maybe the "bells and Whislte" rigs get an angler an extra bite or two , but on a well stocked venue it maybe more of giving the angler confidence rather than help

noknot · May 13, 2013

Lead clips and droping the lead on every take! Well done Danny F great method to sell a few thousand mor leads

Peter Jacobs · May 13, 2013

Derek Gibson said:
Tommy was in his early 70s at the time, and a well known roach master. After about an hour in the shop, during which time he checked everything intently. On the drive home I asked him what he thought, he looked at me and smiled and said ''I never realised that there was so much stuff I didn't need''

Brilliant!

Simply brilliant - all of the really good anglers I have ever met have all kept it simple.

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noknot said:
Lead clips and droping the lead on every take! Well done Danny F great method to sell a few thousand mor leads

Well, wouldn't you devise the same if you manufactured lead weights?

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flightliner · May 13, 2013

Derek Gibson said:
Flight,
Reminds me of the time I talked old Tommy Cross into a visit to Bennets tackle shop, when their premises were on West Bar. Tommy was in his early 70s at the time, and a well known roach master. After about an hour in the shop, during which time he checked everything intently. On the drive home I asked him what he thought, he looked at me and smiled and said ''I never realised that there was so much stuff I didn't need''. I was a bit shocked, and remember thinking it must be down to old age, and perhaps that's true, for on the odd occasions I call in at various tackle shops, his words ring loudly in my mind, and I find myself in total agreement with his sentiment.
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I can go with your old friend there Derek, I reckon a large percentage of what I need to catch fish can be found outside a tackle shop tho the basic 'ensemble is indispensible.
I,m not knocking anyone for using rig bits, but with a bit of forethought its often the case that a suitable alternative is easy to sort out.

captainbarnacles · May 13, 2013

I realy dont think you can beat keeping it simple , i think its sometimes a case of going into a tackle shop and just buying because you think you might need it , but realy just a waste of money , most times i know where i'm going and what i am aiming at and set a couple of rods up the night before , lug a load of gear down the next day ,catch a nice few fish and find i havn't even touched the tackle boxes , iv'e just used what i went with so now i just take the bare min, and not so tired lol. Mind you i'm not a carper in the sense of the word , mostly fish rivers and and club lakes but all on float or quiver . When i take my grandson this year to start him off , he will learn all the basics of river and lake fishing , on basic tackle , the way i learned at the age of seven , if he wants to become a bivvy boy later in life that will be his choice , but he will learn to fish properly first , including fish care and respect for what he catches , to take in the wildlife and surroundings and i hope enjoy for many years what i teach him. I truly believe that to catch roach bream tench perch gudgeon dace you name it on some nice float tackle is far nicer than to sit behind a buzzer for days on end waisting your life away. And i dont mean that in a nasty way , it suits some but not me , give me basics and pleasure anyday.

sam vimes · May 13, 2013

chubberbob said:
far nicer than to sit behind a buzzer for days on end waisting your life away.

It's actually quite nice once in a while and provided the angler concerned is more than a chuck and chance it type, it can be very effective. I generally walk and stalk with a float rod, and have a lot of fun doing so. However, this season, I reckon that bait and wait has produced as many fish per hour. However, I'm not chucking and chancing. Prebaiting and observation, often combined with the short session float tactics, increase my chances and understanding of the water quite dramatically.

rains · May 13, 2013

Lord Paul of Sheffield said:
I do sometime think some rigs are over complicated - but I'm a simple bloke and like to keep my fishing the same

I am the same the simple ways are often the best

Titus · May 13, 2013

I think many rigs are devised bankside by bored blokes with just a little chemical or herbal stimulus.

terry m · May 14, 2013

Titus said:
I think many rigs are devised bankside by bored blokes with just a little chemical or herbal stimulus.

LOL, not too sure about that, but I agree with the keep it simple mantra, 100%.

S'funny I confess I have been seduced by some weird and wonderful rigs over the years, but the reality is I revert back to the two or three proven rigs that I know inside out, I know they work, and above all I have confidence in them.

steph mckenzie · May 14, 2013

Being self taught and getting most of my original info from Magazines, i often found myself in a similar predicament. I used to buy a lot of mags at first, i quickly found out how to tie knots and then it was rigs, and then it was a new wonder rig every month (well it seemed that way), my fishing became so complicated it became harder to work out what was working and what wasn't, was it the rig, the bait, the location a combination of them all or some .......................ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

In the end i tried to pick just one or 2 Anglers and followed their advise until i was comfortable and more confident in myself. I must say though, i could fair tie a number of rigs with all sorts of bends or add ons even how to use lead core.

I did however learn a lot from magazines in the beginning, most valuably was how to tie Knots, they had step by step diagrams too, which was a massive plus for me as a beginner back then.

captainbarnacles · May 14, 2013

sorry sam i did say i'm not against carpers and meant no malice my friend, I do think to some extent that the carp fishing world has spoilt fishing , in a way all its done is made the fish harder to catch , by introducing them to too much choice. Boilies , pellets ,all manner of self invented and good money making idea,s have given the fish unlimited amounts of food choice , there fore making them more choosey and finicky about what they eat. Go to most carp lakes now and they dont know what a worm or maggot looks like , but not only lakes is it , the carp world has now spread to the rivers too. So in fact now instead of spending a few bob on some bread maggots and free worms from the garden ,poor old me has to spend a bloody fortune on some man made **** just to catch some roach. Its not the carpers fault its all the hype and rubbish invented by the money making fishing industry thats done it. I have never in my life of fishing used a boily and i dont intend to start now i use a few pellets but thats only because if i dont i dont catch simple as that. Money god it ruins everything , and one more moan , whoever invented the bolt rig wants shooting ,fish trapping is all it is , self hooking cant get away trap, thats not fishing. tight lines all.

nicepix · May 14, 2013

Titus said:
I think many rigs are devised bankside by bored blokes with just a little chemical or herbal stimulus.

And maybe a desire to get their names mentioned as the inventors of a new 'wonder rig'?

sam vimes · May 14, 2013

chubberbob said:
sorry sam i did say i'm not against carpers and meant no malice my friend, I do think to some extent that the carp fishing world has spoilt fishing , in a way all its done is made the fish harder to catch , by introducing them to too much choice. Boilies , pellets ,all manner of self invented and good money making idea,s have given the fish unlimited amounts of food choice , there fore making them more choosey and finicky about what they eat. Go to most carp lakes now and they dont know what a worm or maggot looks like , but not only lakes is it , the carp world has now spread to the rivers too. So in fact now instead of spending a few bob on some bread maggots and free worms from the garden ,poor old me has to spend a bloody fortune on some man made **** just to catch some roach. Its not the carpers fault its all the hype and rubbish invented by the money making fishing industry thats done it. I have never in my life of fishing used a boily and i dont intend to start now i use a few pellets but thats only because if i dont i dont catch simple as that. Money god it ruins everything , and one more moan , whoever invented the bolt rig wants shooting ,fish trapping is all it is , self hooking cant get away trap, thats not fishing. tight lines all.

There's plenty of truth in all of that and I didn't take offense, I just question the common conception that it's just about sitting behind bite alarms, hoping for the best.

I did say that the vast majority of my carping revolves round a single float rod and maggots.

However, I know that the better carper is doing a lot more than simply sitting waiting behind buzzers, though it often isn't easily apparent. The biggest problem with float fishing for carp is that so many of the "specimen" waters out there don't allow you to do it any more.

I suspect that if it were allowed, in the right time and place, it would be as devastatingly effective as ever.

iannate · May 14, 2013

I admire alot of carp anglers, and by this I mean genuine carp anglers, the ones who invested the time and invented the tackle and baits that are now used and the ones who continue to innovate.

They are the ones who sat up trees watching carp for hours, waiting to see what they did. Trying vcarious baits out and trying to figure out how to get one of those elusive creatures to take the bait.

Commercialism has taken away from the sport from most of our points of view, but has added a new type of angler.

There have always been arguments against wonder baits that seem too expensive, but we have to evolve and develop as well to compensate. I like bread fishing, but it won't work all the time everywhere, but it will sneek a few out while others are failing miserably.

I am not having a dig at anyone and I fully understand what's meant that in a way it has spoilt others enjoyment, but at the end of the day it is like driving your car; you have to put up with all the other idiots and accept that we are the idiots in others eyes.

noknot · May 14, 2013

Peter Jacobs said:
Brilliant!

Well, wouldn't you devise the same if you manufactured lead weights?

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He is the top of the tree Peter, I missed my chance, as I used to make my own un hooking mats before you could buy them! As well as hangers!!!

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