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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)
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Over to you.
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Paul (Brummie) Williams
Guest
Float fishing at distance for silvers?
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)
Guest
Not really mate.
What's a silver - a new species of fish?
What's a silver - a new species of fish?
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Paul (Brummie) Williams
Guest
No....it's a group of fish that we discovered whilst you were in SA.
Fine and far off........long range waggler on still waters, usually for roach,bream,......i used it lots on Edgbaston res many years ago.........long wagglers, sinking light mailine, and fine hooklinks............cast well past the taking zone, sink rod and wind in untill in the TZ..............shotting pattern to suit big winds and small fish (SILVERS)
Bet you are gonna tell me diferent?
Fine and far off........long range waggler on still waters, usually for roach,bream,......i used it lots on Edgbaston res many years ago.........long wagglers, sinking light mailine, and fine hooklinks............cast well past the taking zone, sink rod and wind in untill in the TZ..............shotting pattern to suit big winds and small fish (SILVERS)
Bet you are gonna tell me diferent?
Merv Harrison
Senior Member
"Fish fine and far off".
Advised to fly fishermen in 1676 by Charles Cotton, friend of Izaac Walton.
Advised to fly fishermen in 1676 by Charles Cotton, friend of Izaac Walton.
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Paul (Brummie) Williams
Guest
Well i fire from the hip.......Google is for pretenders./forum/smilies/tongue_out_smiley.gif
and i just knew it would be something to do with the "fly" if Ron was asking!
and i just knew it would be something to do with the "fly" if Ron was asking!
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)
Guest
What I am going to write now you won't find on Google.
"Fine and far off" is more an angling philosophy rather than a methodology. It started ca 1870 in Sheffield and was adjusted and modified to suit their own waters by the men of Nottingham. The original "Sheffield Style" involvedvery small hooks (16s) whipped to the finest gut which was attached to gossamer silk lines of not more than 2 lb bs. Floats were tiny and often called "duckers" or "toothpicks" and were balanced by a small "Half moon" lead pinched on the gut cast. Leads like these were used in preference to split shot which would often damage the cast.
Baits were gentles, creed wheat, pearl barley and paste.
Casting this very light tackle was fraught with difficulty, however the men of Sheffield developed an overhead flick which took line from loops that were taken off the reel they used, centre-pin of course.
The rods they used where light and delicate using spliced Spanish reed and tonkin with a fine spit cane or greenheart top. I possessed one of these rods given to me by my Grandfather who was in turn given the rod ca 1919. Like a fool I ruined the rod by hoiking tench with it.
Contests were often fished between the men of Sheffield and the London anglers who to a man used roach poles. However the Londoners had to think again as invariably the Sheffield anglers won.
Isn't angling history fascinating?
"Fine and far off" is more an angling philosophy rather than a methodology. It started ca 1870 in Sheffield and was adjusted and modified to suit their own waters by the men of Nottingham. The original "Sheffield Style" involvedvery small hooks (16s) whipped to the finest gut which was attached to gossamer silk lines of not more than 2 lb bs. Floats were tiny and often called "duckers" or "toothpicks" and were balanced by a small "Half moon" lead pinched on the gut cast. Leads like these were used in preference to split shot which would often damage the cast.
Baits were gentles, creed wheat, pearl barley and paste.
Casting this very light tackle was fraught with difficulty, however the men of Sheffield developed an overhead flick which took line from loops that were taken off the reel they used, centre-pin of course.
The rods they used where light and delicate using spliced Spanish reed and tonkin with a fine spit cane or greenheart top. I possessed one of these rods given to me by my Grandfather who was in turn given the rod ca 1919. Like a fool I ruined the rod by hoiking tench with it.
Contests were often fished between the men of Sheffield and the London anglers who to a man used roach poles. However the Londoners had to think again as invariably the Sheffield anglers won.
Isn't angling history fascinating?
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Paul (Brummie) Williams
Guest
Thats just what i said Ron............only iin LIVING history and the men of Sheffield and especially North Notts aways looked to the men of the Midlands for lessonsin everything from steelmaking to coalmining and "Fine and far off"/forum/smilies/tongue_out_smiley.gif
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)
Guest
The men of Sheffield did not make the steel. It was the men of Rotherham who did that. Sheffield factories formed the steel by rolling mill or steam hammer. They also machined it and became famous in the production of high class cutlery. For example it was a firm of Sheffield cutlers who made Jim Bowie his famous knife.
Sorry mate but steel making was part of this area. Birmingham became well known for forming steel into gun barrels and other arms. BSA still stands I believe.
Sorry mate but steel making was part of this area. Birmingham became well known for forming steel into gun barrels and other arms. BSA still stands I believe.
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Paul (Brummie) Williams
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Birmingham!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who's talking about Birmingham?????????
The Blackcountry, the heart of the industrial revolution.
You made COPIES of the Bowie knife........we didn't make copies, only originals./forum/smilies/sleepy_smiley.gif
The Blackcountry, the heart of the industrial revolution.
You made COPIES of the Bowie knife........we didn't make copies, only originals./forum/smilies/sleepy_smiley.gif
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)
Guest
The whole of that part of England from Dudley to Wolverhampton and from Solihull to Lichfield is Brummieland in my book. They all sound the same. /forum/smilies/confused_smiley.gif
Jim Bowie designed the knife and senthis reqirementsto a "Little Mester's" in Sheffield to be made. The story is well documented in the Cutler's Hall I believe.
Jim Bowie designed the knife and senthis reqirementsto a "Little Mester's" in Sheffield to be made. The story is well documented in the Cutler's Hall I believe.
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Cakey
Guest
he does have a point about all sounding the same /forum/smilies/smile_smiley.gif
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Paul (Brummie) Williams
Guest
Then you are an ignoramous my friend..........the Blackcountry and Brum are miles apart.
The Blackcountry is well documented in the Domesday book.......and valued highly, Brum came much later.
The Blackcountry is well documented in the Domesday book.......and valued highly, Brum came much later.
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Cakey
Guest
ha ha ha
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ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)
Guest
They all talk Hurdygurdygurdy
and
"Whur am ya gowin"
and
"Whur am ya gowin"
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Cakey
Guest
yeah
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Paul (Brummie) Williams
Guest
wot yhou err talkin about err Ed?
slime monster
Senior Member
ed its wore am yow gooin
i went to school in brownhills sec mod as a northener first thing they said to me was
dow ee talk push.
i went to school in brownhills sec mod as a northener first thing they said to me was
dow ee talk push.
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)
Guest
Talking of Sheffield and blades, the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield where they have the world snooker championships was named after the very very special crucibles used to make the very high quality steel Sheffield was famous for.
It is a great shame but these skills have been lost in the mists of time. It used to take a 12 year apprenticeship in a specialist knife shopto acquire the skills necessary to become atop cutler. Some of the apprentices were paid so poorly they literally slept on the job.
You can today get a hand made knife made in Sheffield. However it will cost you thousands of pounds and you will have to wait for it for at least 6 months. But it will represent the pinnacle of the cutler's art.
There are still a few "Little Mesters" shops at the bottom of The Moor in Sheffield near the Sheffield United (Blades) football ground. They are the equivalent to Savile Row when one compares knives with men's clothes.
It is a great shame but these skills have been lost in the mists of time. It used to take a 12 year apprenticeship in a specialist knife shopto acquire the skills necessary to become atop cutler. Some of the apprentices were paid so poorly they literally slept on the job.
You can today get a hand made knife made in Sheffield. However it will cost you thousands of pounds and you will have to wait for it for at least 6 months. But it will represent the pinnacle of the cutler's art.
There are still a few "Little Mesters" shops at the bottom of The Moor in Sheffield near the Sheffield United (Blades) football ground. They are the equivalent to Savile Row when one compares knives with men's clothes.