Dimethyl-propiothetin (DMPT)

Try saying that in public and people will think your talking about cooking crystal meth or breaking bad...? mg:

Most of you will already know my thoughts on artificial addditives, (see what I did there?) that is; products and ingredients that significantly alter or change and denature a bait but how deep are your pockets and how far are you prepared to go to catch the big one on baits made with - natural ingredients?

At around 80 Euros per kg Dimethyl-propiothetin (DMPT) is the ultimate new attractant - its around 1.25 times better than choline chloride, 2.56 times betaine, 1.42 times methyl-methionine and 1.56 times better than glutamine.

Laguna have access to the original Assay (not the product) should you be interested, but even though its origins are natural (as an intermediate product of metabolism from algae) its not something that I would suggest you consider any time soon.. its main function according to suppliers is that of supporting high temperatures during pellet feed processing therefore can decrease the losses of nutrients in feeds during high temperature pellet, cooking and steaming.

All very well and good from a manufacturing point of view but as an attractant in its own right? I would suggest adding more of the cheaper stuff but look out for this ingredient (if disclosed) on the label of the next generation baits coming to a shop near you...

Laguna,
Im not a carp angler or anyone who uses boilies (except Humbugs) but I am always interested in the claims of companies for their products.

You state that DMPT is "around 1.25 times better" etc, etc

Can you define "better" please.

And if you use precise numbers as 1.25, 1.42, 1.56 and 2.56 why do you need to prefix them with the word 'around'

Not confused about the product, it may be the best thing since sliced bread for all I know, just your explanation.

mick b said:

Laguna,
Im not a carp angler or anyone who uses boilies (except Humbugs) but I am always interested in the claims of companies for their products.

You state that DMPT is "around 1.25 times better" etc, etc

Can you define "better" please.

And if you use precise numbers as 1.25, 1.42, 1.56 and 2.56 why do you need to prefix them with the word 'around'

Not confused about the product, it may be the best thing since sliced bread for all I know, just your explanation.

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Its as quoted Mick "around" is exactly that. I guess it depends on what DMPT is being compared to, there will always be variations in quality/yield/batch. Better means its proven.
Its claims are taken from laboratory trials conducted back in 1988 when it was first announced, initially marketed to the aquaculture industry. In fact its only recently (maybe 2 years or so) that carp anglers have started to enquire about it as an attractant instead of its original purpose as an appetite stimulant for farmed fish.

Best thing since sliced bread? well its proven to be the best attractant on the market... if you can afford it.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Yg1Ye8_mDuETNx50Q&sig2=GHX6jfJQMOTlp_dv-6kH1Q

Is there any of this substance in the Marukyu range of baits do you know as a lot of there blurb seems to be along this kind of line reading the link you put up.

It would be my guess it would be tiinker... certainly the price of their baits would be indicative of its inclusion.

The original trials were first reported by a guy named Nakajima and if he isn't Japanese with connections in high places...

laguna said:

Its as quoted Mick "around" is exactly that. I guess it depends on what DMPT is being compared to, there will always be variations in quality/yield/batch. Better means its proven.
Its claims are taken from laboratory trials conducted back in 1988 when it was first announced, initially marketed to the aquaculture industry. In fact its only recently (maybe 2 years or so) that carp anglers have started to enquire about it as an attractant instead of its original purpose as an appetite stimulant for farmed fish.

Best thing since sliced bread? well its proven to be the best attractant on the market... if you can afford it.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Yg1Ye8_mDuETNx50Q&sig2=GHX6jfJQMOTlp_dv-6kH1Q

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I don't know if I would place my faith in such a small study conducted 25plus years ago, but the Japanese Institute of Fishery Science is a well respected body and I would doubt they would allow a paper to be published without sound justification.


Because Im interested in groundbait mixes your thread has prompted me to do some research into DMPT as follows;

*DMPT is a strong olfactory nerve stimulant, having both a fast-acting and long lasting effect.

*It has a stimulating effect on feeding fish, especially sea species where it has an effect 2.55 times higher than that of glutamine.

*It is used to promote increased feeding behaviour of farmed aquatic animals, improve the utilisation of amino acids and effectively promote growth.

*It is also used to give freshwater species a sea taste thus increasing their value.

*It is said to be a naturally occurring substance with starch as its main ingredient, and is said to have no residual problems with long term use.

*DMPT is available from bioproduct or specialist aquafeed manufacturers globally, with no restrictions on purchase.

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......but does it catch more fish?



Oh, and is a safe substance, for us and the fish?

Euros 80/ kg..................certainly buy a few loaves of bread and pints of maggots!

Tee-Cee said:

......but does it catch more fish?

IF IT STIMULATES APPETITE THEN IT MIGHT.



Oh, and is a safe substance, for us and the fish?

ACCORDING TO WHAT I HAVE READ, YES. BASICALLY ITS A STARCH AND NATURALLY OCCURS IN ALGAE.


Euros 80/ kg..................certainly buy a few loaves of bread and pints of maggots!

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THE €80 PROBABLY HAS A 200% MARK-UP, MAYBE MORE, ITS CERTAINLY CHEAP ENOUGH IF YOU WANT TO BUY A 25kg DRUM OF IT........FROM CHINA

If I was doing the promo on it, which Im not, I would give 1oz sachets away free, what would you have to loose if its as good as they say??

Recommendations are to use it as a 0.25 - 2% additive so 1oz would make plenty of bait.
I don't know about using it in boilies (or even how they are made) but Im sure I read somewhere that it can be damaged by heat.

Interestingly one company selling DMPT also sells a product called '#####stim' and that rings a groundbait bell doesn't it?

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Tee-Cee said:

......but does it catch more fish?



Oh, and is a safe substance, for us and the fish?

Euros 80/ kg..................certainly buy a few loaves of bread and pints of maggots!

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. . . . more like 5 loaves and 2 small fishes I think.

So, confined to the slot reserved of Miracle Baits I reckon

I have tried Marukyu baits and never had so much as a single bite on them . . . . .

DMPT ? Sounds like something half of this lot were taking back in the sixties.....

I thought it was something the wife used to suffer from.

Maybe its easier to just ask for some maggots.

laguna said:

Its as quoted Mick "around" is exactly that. I guess it depends on what DMPT is being compared to, there will always be variations in quality/yield/batch. Better means its proven.
Its claims are taken from laboratory trials conducted back in 1988 when it was first announced, initially marketed to the aquaculture industry. In fact its only recently (maybe 2 years or so) that carp anglers have started to enquire about it as an attractant instead of its original purpose as an appetite stimulant for farmed fish.

Best thing since sliced bread? well its proven to be the best attractant on the market... if you can afford it.

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I'll stick with the sliced bread.