Legends!!

andreagrispi · Mar 2, 2014

With regards to specialist angling, some anglers stand out as icons.

In the past I believe the likes of Walker, Stone and FJ Taylor lead the way.

In modern times, Lampard, Alan Wilson, J Wilson, T Miles and P Smith stand out. One or two could have gone down the legend line, but appeared to stall at their peak period - J.Bailey springs to mind in this context.

M.Bowler is a great angler in the very modern era - although he gets a lot of support to assist in his angling ventures.

Who are your angling legends?

Poshpaul (Angling Trust and PaSC) · Mar 2, 2014

shaunfox said:
.....and P Smith stand out.

Why thank you shaun! I've never sought the limelight

mg:....bit I would like to thank..........:wh

Being slightly more serious...I suppose for me my legends are people who at various times in my fishing "career"..gave me practical advice and support in order to get better..in my youth watching and talking to ****y Carr, Jimmy Randall and Ray Mumford.. and Cecil the Maidstone Victory Bailiff who knew that stretch of the Medway literally like the back of his hand...and put many of us kids on "good" pegs and methods which helped us learn and catch.

Now much older I really appreciate the advice (and endless insults) from mates (some of whom allegedly are well known and successful fishers!!) that I have discovered through FM (and elsewhere). They have helped me fish better(although I'll never admit anything other than it was my natural talent...and good looks)...and far more importantly enjoy the experiences good and bad.

tiinker · Mar 2, 2014

I have been fortunate to know a few unsung legends since I was a youngster and over the years up to today. These anglers have had a big influence on my angling life because of the help and the sharing of their knowledge with not only myself but anyone who wanted to listen to what they had to say. These very special people that stay in the background but are only to pleased to impart their knowledge are often forgotten among the big names that are in the limelight.

richiekelly · Mar 2, 2014

shaunfox said:
With regards to specialist angling, some anglers stand out as icons.

In the past I believe the likes of Walker, Stone and FJ Taylor lead the way.

In modern times, Lampard, Alan Wilson, J Wilson, T Miles and P Smith stand out. One or two could have gone down the legend line, but appeared to stall at their peak period - J.Bailey springs to mind in this context.

M.Bowler is a great angler in the very modern era - although he gets a lot of support to assist in his angling ventures.

Who are your angling legends?

Do you think that some of those you have mentioned have not had a lot of support in one way or another? some of them have pulled some right strokes.

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tiinker said:
I have been fortunate to know a few unsung legends since I was a youngster and over the years up to today. These anglers have had a big influence on my angling life because of the help and the sharing of their knowledge with not only myself but anyone who wanted to listen to what they had to say. These very special people that stay in the background but are only to pleased to impart their knowledge are often forgotten among the big names that are in the limelight.

Flippin eck something we agree on, it wont last though.

chefster · Mar 2, 2014

I recently went to "The Big One" show and met a lot of the top match anglers.some legends and some legends in the making-Bob Nudd,Sean Ashby,Tom Pickering,Andy Kinder,Steve Ringer,Des Shipp,Lee Kerry,Darren Cox,Dave Harrel etc-One thing they all had in common was how humble and approachable they were,nothing was too much trouble for them,answering questions on tackle,techniques etc...There are also a few guys which I am fortunate enough to fish with such as Kevin Folwell,Pete Rice,Keith Haynes etc,who in my eyes are true legends in what they do,and always offer friendly ,truthful advice and encouragement...Chef

nicepix · Mar 2, 2014

How can John Bailey be regarded as a legend? What has he done apart from use others to get himself forward?

Alan Scotthorne surey should be considered. No one has done what he has on the match fishing scene.

richiekelly · Mar 2, 2014

nicepix said:
How can John Bailey be regarded as a legend? What has he done apart from use others to get himself forward?

Alan Scotthorne surey should be considered. No one has done what he has on the match fishing scene.

He cant unless its in his own mind, more like a leg end

Poshpaul (Angling Trust and PaSC) · Mar 2, 2014

the blanker said:
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Flippin eck something we agree on, it wont last though.

Oh go on. Give it a try!

richiekelly · Mar 2, 2014

Poshpaul (Angling Trust and PaSC) said:
Oh go on. Give it a try!

The difficult I don't mind trying but the impossible, well that's another matter

terry m · Mar 2, 2014

For me the late Terry Lampard is head and shoulders above all of the modern 'legends', based on angling ability rather than poor TV offerings or similar.

richiekelly · Mar 2, 2014

terry m said:
For me the late Terry Lampard is head and shoulders above all of the modern 'legends', based on angling ability rather than poor TV offerings or similar.

He was a truly gifted all rounder, head and shoulders above others.

tiinker · Mar 3, 2014

Advice I have never forgot First find your fish don't scare them fish at the right time and use the right tackle for the job and the right bait. The main thing the old boys taught us was keep low and keep Quiet. One old boy I knew was known as grumpy but he was not. The reason he ignored or told people to buzz off was he fish right in close under his feet sometimes. He was also known as the crucian king because of his knack for catching these particular fish from a fishery that held some big crucians hardly anyone else ever caught them He would say sit well back from the water and be quiet and be patient.

richiekelly · Mar 3, 2014

tiinker said:
Advice I have never forgot First find your fish don't scare them fish at the right time and use the right tackle for the job and the right bait. The main thing the old boys taught us was keep low and keep Quiet. One old boy I knew was known as grumpy but he was not. The reason he ignored or told people to buzz off was he fish right in close under his feet sometimes. He was also known as the crucian king because of his knack for catching these particular fish from a fishery that held some big crucians hardly anyone else ever caught them He would say sit well back from the water and be quiet and be patient.

Good advice, I would never thought of that amazing

cg74 · Mar 3, 2014

tiinker said:
Advice I have never forgot First find your fish don't scare them fish at the right time and use the right tackle for the job and the right bait. The main thing the old boys taught us was keep low and keep Quiet. One old boy I knew was known as grumpy but he was not. The reason he ignored or told people to buzz off was he fish right in close under his feet sometimes. He was also known as the crucian king because of his knack for catching these particular fish from a fishery that held some big crucians hardly anyone else ever caught them He would say sit well back from the water and be quiet and be patient.

In fairness, you'd soon learn that lesson for yourself if you ever tried to stalk anything; fish, birds, rabbits.... whatever, except regards fish, noise/sound isn't an issue.
You can literally sit a couple yards away from a group of wary fish and shout your head off and they won't spook!

But in essence you are right; stealth is the way to go.

shaunfox said:
M.Bowler is a great angler in the very modern era - although he gets a lot of support to assist in his angling ventures.

Who are your angling legends?

You're not kidding when you say, Martin Bowler gets a lot of assistance. Watching him catch his first double figure tench was utterly cringing.
Following his mate's instructions; cast a method feeder 40 yards out, onto the gravel bar and it'll come!

I think Chefsters list is about as close to a list of living angling legends as there is, but they aren't specimen anglers....

tiinker · Mar 4, 2014

cg74 said:
In fairness, you'd soon learn that lesson for yourself if you ever tried to stalk anything; fish, birds, rabbits.... whatever, except regards fish, noise/sound isn't an issue.
You can literally sit a couple yards away from a group of wary fish and shout your head off and they won't spook!

But in essence you are right; stealth is the way to go.

You're not kidding when you say, Martin Bowler gets a lot of assistance. Watching him catch his first double figure tench was utterly cringing.
Following his mate's instructions; cast a method feeder 40 yards out, onto the gravel bar and it'll come!

I think Chefsters list is about as close to a list of living angling legends as there is, but they aren't specimen anglers....

How is it we learnt the lesson 50 years ago but the vast majority of people today have not. At night it is a joke on public fisheries more lights and noise than Oxford street before Christmas and during the day it is like bedlam. people have no consideration for others they cast where they like. The ground rules today are just do as you please.

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Some of the names from the 50s/60s Billy Lane our first world champion , Tag Barnes, Jack Hilton, jerry Savage, Fred j. Taylor, Dennis Pye, Hugh Stoker. Fred buller, Bernard Venables, Jack Hargreaves, Benny Ashurst. Richard Walker, Clive Gammon. all these anglers contributed to angling literature with books and articles in the angling press.

mick b · Mar 4, 2014

For me it has to be Walker by a million miles.

There isn't a single angler around today who has done anywhere near as much for the average angler than **** Walker

Stoney is a good second, certainly leading the way with advances in ledgering and gravel pit fishing.

Fred Buller's investigative work into our angling history will stand the test of time without a doubt.

FJT and his brother both lovely blokes, but not in the same league as the above.

I would give a near legendary status to Peter Drennan for his contribution to modern day tackle design, Bob Roberts for his writings on ledgering techniques, Kevin Ashurst, Alan Scotthorne and Bod Nudd for their contributions to match angling and Topper Haskins for his extensive work of float design.

Finally I would give a legendary status to the late John Searle for his work as an angling artist of the highest quality.

All those modern day anglers mentioned above....Blanker is perfectly correct, STROKES just doesn't go near enough to describe some of their 'questionable activities', and if thats what it takes to become a 'legend' they can keep it!!!

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cg74 · Mar 4, 2014

tiinker said:
How is it we learnt the lesson 50 years ago but the vast majority of people today have not. At night it is a joke on public fisheries more lights and noise than Oxford street before Christmas and during the day it is like bedlam. people have no consideration for others they cast where they like. The ground rules today are just do as you please.

It's simple; everyone learns at different rates and some don't learn at all!

As for a lack of consideration - that'll be due to a lack of values instilled in them by their parents during childhood.

matty w · Mar 4, 2014

How is it we learnt the lesson 50 years ago but the vast majority of people today have not. At night it is a joke on public fisheries more lights and noise than Oxford street before Christmas and during the day it is like bedlam. people have no consideration for others they cast where they like. The ground rules today are just do as you please.

A good description of society as it is today. A right pain in the arris.

Fortunately these muppets don't like to walk far so on a river or bigger pit you can generally put some distance between you & them.
With carp getting shoved into as many fisheries as possible it's getting harder to find quieter places.

theartist · Mar 4, 2014

Greatest legend of the lot is my dad.

He never went to the press with big catches as he didn't get any nor did he seek them.

But he took me fishing from a young age and taught me a lot more than any book could ever do.

Derek Gibson · Mar 4, 2014

No hesitation here, **** Walker by a country mile. No need to list his contributions to angling or his role in tackle development.

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