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Code for Theft of Fishing Rights
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geoffmaynard
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I now have this number stored in my phone. Well done ATr!
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Nice one Geoff, I've written it on the back of my licence.
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I was under the impression that all police officers understood the Theft Act of 1968 in relation to the law regarding the theft of fishing rights and fish? They certainly do where I live seeing as I have called for their assistance numerous times when I was a fishing club bailiff.
I do hope that the AT don't start claiming to represent all coppers as well.
Joke AT
I do hope that the AT don't start claiming to represent all coppers as well.
Joke AT
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There was a comment to the contrary within the article...
"Understandably, this is not an area of law in which police officers are generally trained"
It seems quite constructive and positive to me.
All I can see is that the ATr are highlighting the Act and the assigning of the 116/11 code to it which I personally would find very useful, as an ordinary and non-bailiff angler, when reporting an incident and as they say it is then difficult for the Police to dismiss it as a civil or EA matter.
"Unfortunately the police's overall understanding remains inconsistent so in an effort to resolve this, last year the Angling Trust uploaded the 'Elementary Guide to Angling Law & Fisheries Enforcement' to the Police Online Knowledge Area (POLKA) - making this simple guide available to every police officer in England. This, however, relies upon an officer searching that database for information, so the upload is not a cure-all – but there is now an answer.
Every offence which the police are duty bound to deal with has a unique Home Office Code and now there is a Code for Theft of Fishing Rights: 116/11."
I'm with Geoff and another well done ATr.
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Note to Editors.
"Joke AT"
Lighten up, even the blokes inside the ivory towers see the funny side.
Sometimes.
I can see the picture. Coppers with truncheons drawn lined up two by two marching tarum tarra tarum tarra straight into the AT HQ to be taught what the Theft Act means and how they should be enforcing it.
You simply couldn't make this up. The AT telling law enforcement officers how they should be doing their job. Yet another AT PR initiative that our nations police forces will surely embrace. NOT.
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And you can lead idiots to water, but don't expect all of them to drown themselves.
"Joke AT"
Lighten up, even the blokes inside the ivory towers see the funny side.
Sometimes.
I can see the picture. Coppers with truncheons drawn lined up two by two marching tarum tarra tarum tarra straight into the AT HQ to be taught what the Theft Act means and how they should be enforcing it.
You simply couldn't make this up. The AT telling law enforcement officers how they should be doing their job. Yet another AT PR initiative that our nations police forces will surely embrace. NOT.
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And you can lead idiots to water, but don't expect all of them to drown themselves.
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But...
I for one had no idea that there was a Home Office code for dealing with fish theft or what it was, or that the Police are duty bound to deal with it and I very much doubt that many other anglers did either.
As I've already said I find that very helpful and I'm grateful for the ATr for publicising it and informing me, especially as I don't see the EA or the Police tripping over themselves to post on angling related sites to tell me.
The ATr have not professed to be telling the Police how to do their job, merely highlighting something for the benefit of us anglers so sarcasm and joking aside, what exactly do you have against that?
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Well...
No reply so far.
Whilst I'm on a roll I suppose I should ask who the "idiots" which you refer to in your post actually are?
I'm sure I and others would appreciate some clarity on that particular point.
Is it... Me... The Angling Trust... Members of the Angling Trust... The Police... Anyone who disagrees with your point of view???
C'mon... enlighten us all, I think we'd all be very interested to know?
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itsfishingnotcatching
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Thanks Ian(?).
As I see it, there have been phases over the last couple of years here on FM whereby members of the ATr have belittled non-members until these non-members became, and quite rightly so, sick of it and the tides then turned to non-members belittling members until they too spoke out and we seemed to have reached a harmony.
However... a third element seems to me to have arisen whereby members of the ATr's predecessor/s appear to wade in and deride everything that they do without the stuffing to back it up.
It's difficult to find an analogy for it but if pushed...
Once upon a time, many years ago, I had a teddy bear.
But then, along came a man and took my teddy bear away and replaced it with a new teddy bear which I didn't like!
So I threw the new teddy bear out of the pram and in protest I then decided to deride everything that the new teddy bear did, regardless of the merit and credibility of it.
Can we reach another turning point here on FM and ask that if anyone wishes to deride the ATr they do it on a point of merit and not a groundless, answerless, point of hidden agendas?
We all await an answer... but I won't hold my breath
hno:itsfishingnotcatching
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I had not until now renewed my ATr membership, the cost is not prohibitive but different threads had given me certain doubts as to the benefits of renewing. This thread combined with Mr. Fairbrass "carping on", from the pedestal of his Korda throne, have ensured my continuing membership.
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Well done that man, I think that the Black Kettle's spout has been well and truly stuffed!
geoffmaynard
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Damn right too. The ATr have highly trained specialists in angling law in the form of Fish Legal. Mr Plod is an enforcement agency, not law specialists. The one should guide the other.
The bad one
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Here in the NW many club bailiffs have know it fell under the Theft Act thanks in part to the EA and Mark Lewthwait (spelling?) who wrote an excellent briefing paper on it. Mark is a retired police officer btw.
So the only new part is the Home Office code to us.
That said, the police prioritise calls using a scale from no response to instant on blue lights. Where this will fall on that scale is anyone’s guess?
And if my own experience is anything to go by, even though the criminals were tooled up and the police were told they were, not once, but 4 times by phone, it was the next day before they contacted me.
So the only new part is the Home Office code to us.
That said, the police prioritise calls using a scale from no response to instant on blue lights. Where this will fall on that scale is anyone’s guess?
And if my own experience is anything to go by, even though the criminals were tooled up and the police were told they were, not once, but 4 times by phone, it was the next day before they contacted me.
hunters moon
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many thanks ATr very useful information I have put the number on theinside cover of my licence wallet.
....I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily without regret.
....Roderick haig-brown.
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And you can lead idiots to water, but don't expect all of them to drown themselves.
And there is your answer Teddy Bear. It might take a while to sink in but there humour in them thar hills.
Nice post Phil. Different area's have different priorities. Shouldn't be so but it is. Same with ambulances. Around the Nottingham area they say one can call an ambulance, die, have the funeral and the ambulance rolls up as the mourners are having tea and sandwiches. That's life here in England.
Its not all bad though. Can we expect the AT will be putting forward Lloyd up for parliament at the next general election? Can't be any worse than the bunch of idiots sitting on opposing sides at the moment.
And there is your answer Teddy Bear. It might take a while to sink in but there humour in them thar hills.
Nice post Phil. Different area's have different priorities. Shouldn't be so but it is. Same with ambulances. Around the Nottingham area they say one can call an ambulance, die, have the funeral and the ambulance rolls up as the mourners are having tea and sandwiches. That's life here in England.
Its not all bad though. Can we expect the AT will be putting forward Lloyd up for parliament at the next general election? Can't be any worse than the bunch of idiots sitting on opposing sides at the moment.
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Except that it's not an answer at all in respect of the questions which have been asked, that's pretty obvious.
You still haven't answered why you appear to be criticising the ATr for doing nothing more, in this instance, than highlighting the 116/11 code for the benefit of anglers which I and clearly others have found helpful???
And you appear to me to be far less enthusiastic about pointing out who the "idiots" that you refer to are than when you first decided to use that particular label.
If you're trying to deride the ATr that's fine but if you're going to do it on an all out attack basis regardless of the credibility of what they're doing then I very much suspect, from the replies so far in this thread, that it has backfired quite badly on you and quite rightly so in my opinion.
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and that line sums you up perfectly Geoff, absolutely clueless in your blind loyalty to the ATr and its non democratically elected Gods.
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Sorry Judas, I fail to see an error in my post? The average policeman is nowhere near as well trained in the law as a solicitor.
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Nothing back fired on me. Its called expressing an opinion meduck. But once anyone does that concerning the Angling Twerps the same old Dads Army come blundering out of their Anderson Shelters to rubbish anyone who dares to question or poke fun at their precious political pantomime.
Hows that for an answer?
Solicitors know more about law than coppers. Blimey!! What a revelation!! And there was me thinking that our law enforcement and justice system knew what each other was doing? Coppers arrest people they suspect are committing a crime then the lawyers take over from there. CPS, the courts, magistrates, judges, bound over, community service, fines, prison, hanging, oops, they don't do that any more unfortunately.
All this has been going off since the Scottish formed the first police force in Edinburgh in 1682 then later in England in 1847 the parliament of England had already enacted acts of parliament that allowed the police force to be formed.
Slap me thighs one would easily assume that in all that time Mr Plod would have a pretty firm grasp of the law and how it all worked??
But no. The Angling Twerps don't think so and once again they go bumbling in to tell our police force and all of their able bodied officers how to do their jobs. Why? Cos the Angling Twerps think they know better.
The Dads Army rush out of their shelters to cries of "Well done Angling Twerps I make a note of that number and pop it in my license."
I can see it now. Dads Army lined up along the cliffs of Dover and the call comes from the Angling Twerps to jump and the whole lot of you do it.
I'm so glad I'm normal.
Hows that for an answer?
Solicitors know more about law than coppers. Blimey!! What a revelation!! And there was me thinking that our law enforcement and justice system knew what each other was doing? Coppers arrest people they suspect are committing a crime then the lawyers take over from there. CPS, the courts, magistrates, judges, bound over, community service, fines, prison, hanging, oops, they don't do that any more unfortunately.
All this has been going off since the Scottish formed the first police force in Edinburgh in 1682 then later in England in 1847 the parliament of England had already enacted acts of parliament that allowed the police force to be formed.
Slap me thighs one would easily assume that in all that time Mr Plod would have a pretty firm grasp of the law and how it all worked??
But no. The Angling Twerps don't think so and once again they go bumbling in to tell our police force and all of their able bodied officers how to do their jobs. Why? Cos the Angling Twerps think they know better.
The Dads Army rush out of their shelters to cries of "Well done Angling Twerps I make a note of that number and pop it in my license."
I can see it now. Dads Army lined up along the cliffs of Dover and the call comes from the Angling Twerps to jump and the whole lot of you do it.
I'm so glad I'm normal.
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I am not one that has much time for the trust but as far as I can see all they have done is publicise a code for theft of fishing, from what I have read this means that it cannot be ignored or passed to other organisations, seems a good thing to me they are not telling the police how to do their job but have secured an agreement that will ensure action is taken.
Or have I got this wrong?