hahahahaha, nice one Fred, thanks very much guys, thanks for the phone call Ron, I`ve put the weight on the second thread, sorry I got excited and put two threads ups, he weighed it last night on the avons he had with him and it came out at 29.04,I took the Heatons down this morning and the scales hit 30.02 less the wet sling at 6 oz, so we`ve settled for 29.12. Just finished another photo shoot, the bludi phone was ringing again at 8.00am,dad, dada, are yopu up yet!!!!!!!I didnt get to bed till 3.00am, anyway photos done, shes gone back happy, I`ll be going back to bed happy in a bit too and young Lees staying on the lake till saturday so expect I might unplug the phone.