cheers guy,s think i need some lessons in fishin ,have to say that marker work and spodding is not my best thing ,and this is what i need to sort out,the other thing is feeling the lead down,i will get there in the end practice makes perfect/forum/smilies/thinking_smiley.gif/forum/smilies/smile_smiley.gifi catch most of my fish from the margin which im good at but when it come s to finding that all important feture in the lake half the time im not sure what im fishin on..../forum/smilies/smile_smiley.gif