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So daft it might just work?

Well I've had a few let me tell ya!

Okay so we have fixed leads, in-line leads/running leads, semi-fixed leads, fixed floats, in-line floats, slack lines, bobbins to the deck and free-lining.... we've probably all debated the merits of each at one time or another.

So why is it I always look for bloody alternatives (as if we don't have enough to debate about)? :D

Here it is... Far bank free lining!
An oxymoron if ever there was....

Free lining has its obvious advantages but lets face it, its only really good for close in work and feeding line out free spool. Perhaps a Wallis cast will throw it out a bit further, but then not everyone's practised in the art of fluff chucking able to cast without weight, relying instead on the weight of the bait. At best I can just about manage a side-cast/a modified version (lets not go there) using my close face (never really got on with pins).

I once witnessed someone catapulting out his hook bait! :eek:

So here's the thing... semi-fixed is known to be an effective bolt rig if setup properly (good for my night fishing) but on a river I like to trot with a stick during daylight hours and sometimes free lining is my preferred method - but not always practical. Oh the lure of the far bank.... the far bank is out of reach for free-lining, upstream is difficult due to a strong wind, overhanging branches preventing a decent cast or whatever.

So how do I get it out there without lead or float?

Here are two methods I use.

1. The first is to use PVA, simply hook it on and cast. I have used a small pebble in the past for weight but I've also used a bit of groundbait and a few pellets. Once the mesh or bag has dissolved the hook bait will trundle somewhere along the bottom. The obvious problem here is that the flow puts a bow in the line so I need to hold the line off the water, keep mending and trap it against the spool with my finger. Once the line that enters the water starts moving I know the PVA has dissolved and I can then let go of the line.

2. The other, preferred way is to use a pivoting in-line lead together with a little 'flow-cone' I made which rests against a rubber bead above the hook link. The cone is an in-line moulded bit of plastic with a rigid tube inside, you could probably make one from a plastic milk bottle about 1" in diameter at its widest, maybe a little less. It looks similar to those impact shields used for surf casting if you know the ones I mean? I've since learned that Tubeworx do cones for flies to push more water? Anyway the difference being; instead of it releasing the snood on impact, its used instead to good effect with the flow of water acting upon it. When the lead hits bottom the cone will carry the hook link straight down stream. The lead stays put and orientates itself allowing the cone and bait to carry on. The further it goes the slower it goes due to the resistance of the lead being cast opposite me (or slightly upstream actually) causing the line to run through at a right angle. The cone can also be pointed in either direction to offset pace.

Maybe the concept isn't really free lining as such??? well maybe it needs another name, but at least its free to trundle the bottom on the far bank and it runs at a pace similar to a float, if not slower (mostly at the depth and pace the current dictates). I'm also happy that if I let the mainline develop a bow, it slows the hook bait down even further creating a bit more resistance but you do need a decent lead to hold bottom sometimes depending on your river. Also a low strike in the direction against the flow is a must with a bow in the line.
As soon as the lead comes to rest its off and I'm fishing within seconds without having to wait for PVA melting or hold the line off water. I've caught a few fish too so I'm happy about the way it works.... even with my Daiwa 120M

But by far the biggest advantage is.... I can hold back - anywhere I like.... even slightly up stream where the lead sits!
I can even reel in a little and have another run through without recasting! :w

Now my question is; what do you think of the concept of Far bank free lining?

Are your ideas as daft as this? ;)

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A big, heavy, 6" slug with the go-faster orange stripe dangling from a size 6 or 8 hook casts long and accurately. Watch the floating loops drift downstream then thrill to the sight of them straightening and taking a dive! Invariably chub.....
 

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Used to fish the River Blackwater which, in places, was about fifteen feet wide making freelining with a weighted bait possible, caught chevins on slugs, meat and corn - slung under overhanging bushes, the takes were something else. If I'd fallen in, I think they'd have viewed me as fair game.....:)
 
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I've come up with a few mad things over the years Chris. :eek:mg: Been making odd bits of tackle for as long as I can remember... tried to teach myself fly casting when I was about 7 by fashioning an outfit out of a spinning rod, old wooden centrepin and string for line! Had a bucket up the garden and everything! lol God only knows why, there's not a trout within 50 miles of where I live! :D

Trying to come up with a mid river paternoster for 5lb carp livebaits in Spain was a tricky one to sort out. Spent ages getting it working then the river flooded and wiped everything out for the remainder of the trip. Still got all the sketches in my travel notebook. Next trip the bouy rig came to light and it never saw the light of day again.. similar concept though.

Came up with a daytime catfish, roving rig for casting under treelines on a particular uk lake about 10 years ago with a homemade float that pops like a topwater lure... never got used... lol..



Similarly, adapted one of my catfish dumbell rigs so the float near the bait had a cupped top, again to create a "pop" (clonking style) as the livey pulled it under... never used it! lol

Recently came up with a way of dropshotting monster sized shads, 12"-15", which isn't as easy as it sounds. Think I cracked it after a few aborted designs, but like so many things.. not got round to using it yet. lol

Back in the late 80's/early 90's, I came up with a carp rig that most people today even use. A very well known carp angler/bait mogul of the time had been working on the exact same thing and published it in Big Carp or Carpworld (can't remember) about a year after I'd been using it. Not saying anymore as I don't want to argue with anyone and couldn't care less about fame or fortune, but the takes were the most spectacular I've ever seen in carp fishing.. even more so that surface fishing. A complete opposite what everyone was doing at the time and the carp didn't have a clue what to do with it. They'd often explode on the surface directly above where you'd pricked them. I don't really use the word awesome but that's what it was at the time. Of course, the carp got used to it after a few years and learnt not to panic. :rolleyes:

Came up with a ledger set-up for Thailand that allowed me to add 4oz inline leads upto a maximum of 12oz without breaking the set-up down... I now use a stepped down version for river piking and a pike float version that polyballs can be added to, to account for extra flow.

Got loads of others as well mate but it'd take forever! lol

Sometimes the experiments don't work, but when they do you can get some great fishing on specialist homemade gear/tactics that the fish have never seen before. :cool:
 

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The other day I had to make a detour to my club lake as the one I was to fish was somewhat weeded up.
My gear was'nt exactly what I would have used on my second choice lake it being a 40 gramme flatbed feeder job.
Anyway I set my rod tip some two foot from the bank and cast some ten foot further towards a bed of lillies. An hour went by when my single grain of corn was taken by one of the lakes small carp, not big by any measure but a little reward for my not to eager efforts.
A little while later I had carp nosing about the same distance from my rod tip and a few grains of sweetcorn sonn had them with their heads down which would have been rude to ignore so the feeder was lowered to the bottom directly off the reel.
It was noticable by the odd bowave that my line was spooking the odd fish so I thought of letting out some slack but this , tho maybe inducing a take would possibly see the fish in the weedbed before I saw any indication on my rodtip so I simply lowered my feeder to the bottom by backwinding the reel, then wound back so the feeder was simply hanging off the rodtip but was suspended about six inches from the bottom when all the time the groundbait attached would be raining bits od mael and the odd bits of addatives down onto my baited hook.
The bites were dramatic and savage with the rodtip being pulled almost down to the lake bed.
Had a good half dozen carp before they cleared off, great fun !
Shows just how daft it can get!.
 

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Yes - thinking that covering spam with Branston pickle would get the carp biting - all it did was produce a sticky mess that got everywhere - whole tin of spam in the bin!
 

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Similar to Flight. The carp were recently picking off my floater offerings in 6 inches of water further down the bank, their backs out of the water. I tried laying the line parallel to the edge but they were wise to my line.

I put a weight on and a longish hooklink . I crept up and laid the weight on the bank with the hooklink in the 6ins depth and my mainline actually on the bank not in the water.

I had 3 carp that had nosed their way into the shallows to grab the lump of bread and the weight on the bank was the bolt rig.
I was reminded of those films of the orcas coming up the beach for the seals:)
 

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I'm sure I've seen (on the telly) casting to the far bank so a bait may be lowered onto the water beachcaster-style. Have seen beachcaster floater fishing but not anchored to the far bank - not sure this style of fishing is popular any more?
 

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A big, heavy, 6" slug with the go-faster orange stripe dangling from a size 6 or 8 hook casts long and accurately. Watch the floating loops drift downstream then thrill to the sight of them straightening and taking a dive! Invariably chub.....
Yes, must look out for those go-faster stripe slugs, I hear it helps if your at a vantage point stood on a cliff with your hat on? :D Thanks mate

Used to fish the River Blackwater which, in places, was about fifteen feet wide making freelining with a weighted bait possible, caught chevins on slugs, meat and corn - slung under overhanging bushes, the takes were something else. If I'd fallen in, I think they'd have viewed me as fair game.....
15 foot wide aint so bad, there's a few narrow bits on the Swale where I can half chuck a bit of meat across free-lined - great fun!
Oh and as for falling in... your not in 'the club' if you haven't say no more Phil lol :wh

I've come up with a few mad things over the years Chris. Been making odd bits of tackle for as long as I can remember... tried to teach myself fly casting when I was about 7 by fashioning an outfit out of a spinning rod, old wooden centrepin and string for line! Had a bucket up the garden and everything! lol God only knows why, there's not a trout within 50 miles of where I live!

Trying to come up with a mid river paternoster for 5lb carp livebaits in Spain was a tricky one to sort out. Spent ages getting it working then the river flooded and wiped everything out for the remainder of the trip. Still got all the sketches in my travel notebook. Next trip the bouy rig came to light and it never saw the light of day again.. similar concept though.

Came up with a daytime catfish, roving rig for casting under treelines on a particular uk lake about 10 years ago with a homemade float that pops like a topwater lure... never got used... lol..



Similarly, adapted one of my catfish dumbell rigs so the float near the bait had a cupped top, again to create a "pop" (clonking style) as the livey pulled it under... never used it! lol

Recently came up with a way of dropshotting monster sized shads, 12"-15", which isn't as easy as it sounds. Think I cracked it after a few aborted designs, but like so many things.. not got round to using it yet. lol

Back in the late 80's/early 90's, I came up with a carp rig that most people today even use. A very well known carp angler/bait mogul of the time had been working on the exact same thing and published it in Big Carp or Carpworld (can't remember) about a year after I'd been using it. Not saying anymore as I don't want to argue with anyone and couldn't care less about fame or fortune, but the takes were the most spectacular I've ever seen in carp fishing.. even more so that surface fishing. A complete opposite what everyone was doing at the time and the carp didn't have a clue what to do with it. They'd often explode on the surface directly above where you'd pricked them. I don't really use the word awesome but that's what it was at the time. Of course, the carp got used to it after a few years and learnt not to panic.

Came up with a ledger set-up for Thailand that allowed me to add 4oz inline leads upto a maximum of 12oz without breaking the set-up down... I now use a stepped down version for river piking and a pike float version that polyballs can be added to, to account for extra flow.

Got loads of others as well mate but it'd take forever! lol

Sometimes the experiments don't work, but when they do you can get some great fishing on specialist homemade gear/tactics that the fish have never seen before.
Marc, we need our heads banging together mate! Seriously you've got the 'tinkers'! :) It seems you do it all for the right reasons too, agree there's more pleasure to be had from fishing using your own ingenuity. Ever had a spark of an idea at bed time? The curse of the genius lol (bed time no less for normal people) and find yourself still running with it 8 hours later... :eek:mg:

The other day I had to make a detour to my club lake as the one I was to fish was somewhat weeded up.
My gear was'nt exactly what I would have used on my second choice lake it being a 40 gramme flatbed feeder job.
Anyway I set my rod tip some two foot from the bank and cast some ten foot further towards a bed of lillies. An hour went by when my single grain of corn was taken by one of the lakes small carp, not big by any measure but a little reward for my not to eager efforts.
A little while later I had carp nosing about the same distance from my rod tip and a few grains of sweetcorn sonn had them with their heads down which would have been rude to ignore so the feeder was lowered to the bottom directly off the reel.
It was noticable by the odd bowave that my line was spooking the odd fish so I thought of letting out some slack but this , tho maybe inducing a take would possibly see the fish in the weedbed before I saw any indication on my rodtip so I simply lowered my feeder to the bottom by backwinding the reel, then wound back so the feeder was simply hanging off the rodtip but was suspended about six inches from the bottom when all the time the groundbait attached would be raining bits od mael and the odd bits of addatives down onto my baited hook.
The bites were dramatic and savage with the rodtip being pulled almost down to the lake bed.
Had a good half dozen carp before they cleared off, great fun !
Shows just how daft it can get!.
Flight, it often happens, no matter where you happen to cast fish are at your feet! I've even caught by reeling in and resting the rod on the bank and unbeknown my rigs fallen in or just dangling on surface, go chat with a fishing buddy and invariably the rods been yanked in! :eek:
Is it our silhouette, being back away from the edge out of their sight?
Struggling for bites? the new tactic.... anchor down the rods and go take a leak!! ;)

Yes - thinking that covering spam with Branston pickle would get the carp biting - all it did was produce a sticky mess that got everywhere - whole tin of spam in the bin!
Its the definitive acid test M'lud.... they hate vinegar and pickles!
One thing they do like...... the sweet corn from my tuna n sweet corn sarnies lol

Similar to Flight. The carp were recently picking off my floater offerings in 6 inches of water further down the bank, their backs out of the water. I tried laying the line parallel to the edge but they were wise to my line.

I put a weight on and a longish hooklink . I crept up and laid the weight on the bank with the hooklink in the 6ins depth and my mainline actually on the bank not in the water.

I had 3 carp that had nosed their way into the shallows to grab the lump of bread and the weight on the bank was the bolt rig.
I was reminded of those films of the orcas coming up the beach for the seals
Hi John sounds like a good plan that came good. It reminds me of two brothers who invented a device for surface fishing. Its basically a floating tennis ball with a long quiver tip (18"?) stuck out with the line just touching water. I made a small one myself years ago with an old quivver and a travel toothbrush from the pound shop with a bit of lead for the keel. Caused too mush splashing for my liking, but its a popular sell on eBay apparently.

I'm sure I've seen (on the telly) casting to the far bank so a bait may be lowered onto the water beachcaster-style. Have seen beachcaster floater fishing but not anchored to the far bank - not sure this style of fishing is popular any more?
Can't say Ive ever hit the far bank accidently Hugh :p I see what you mean though with the lead on the bank and a paternoster in the water? that takes skill mate
 
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Marc, we need our heads banging together mate! Seriously you've got the 'tinkers'! :) It seems you do it all for the right reasons too, agree there's more pleasure to be had from fishing using your own ingenuity. Ever had a spark of an idea at bed time? The curse of the genius lol (bed time no less for normal people) and find yourself still running with it 8 hours later... :eek:mg:


Can't say Ive ever hit the far bank accidently Hugh :p I see what you mean though with the lead on the bank and a paternoster in the water? that takes skill mate

Probably do need our heads banging mate, yes :D, but I'm a firm believer that something completely off the wall might just catch that old, wary monster that doesn't get caught... pipe dream maybe but he who dares and all that... it occassionally does pay off, and sometimes big time, but probably falls flat more often than not (perhaps I should actually use some of them! :wh).

Fun trying though and there is a certain satisfaction from catching big on something from a leftfield idea in your head. Learnt a long time ago to put bedtime ideas aside... If there's any mileage in them, they usually come back to me the next day.

Tying a weaklink to the far bank, trees etc is a method used in catfishing. It's like the bouy rig but without the bouy and float. It's a bit more stealthy when anchoring a bait in a tight spot. It probably precedes the bouy rig but they're both variations on a theme. It's simply a 3ft hooklink to a swivel, tie a weaklink to the swivel and tie off to the bank, then with rod tip high up, just tension it so the bait hangs down... nothing in the water apart from a bait and a hooklink to scare them off (rarely a concern tbh as catfish are very aggressive when they're hunting). It was shown on one of Matt Hayes/Mick Brown fishing shows when they were after catfish up Cheshire way.

The winch rig in catfishing was a real revelation when someone thought of it. Changed the way I got livebaits out for a long time. So simple it's brilliant!
 

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Never fallen in the Blackwater but my dalliance with Cheshire's River Dane was something of a cartoon, comedic masterpiece. Have written about it on here previously but it still makes me giggle some thirty years later.

Have fallen down banks but always managed to avoid the wet stuff. :)
 

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I'm sure I've seen (on the telly) casting to the far bank so a bait may be lowered onto the water beachcaster-style. Have seen beachcaster floater fishing but not anchored to the far bank - not sure this style of fishing is popular any more?

Hugh, I have not done this but a mate does similar on a local club water to great effect.......

He puts a flat piece of lead on the end fashioned from roofers flashing. The lead is just squeezed on the end so It will be ejected and not caught up on the lillies.
Next he makes a paternoster with a long hooklink.
He casts the flat weight onto the lilly pads which support the flat weight because of the spread of load.

The rod is positioned high with the bait just on the surface next to the lillies.

He catches more than his fair share of the biggest carp.
 
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Oh yes, I had a daft idea to design a float to fish one area only, of a pond. I'll cut the story short, but I had visions of the local newspaper carrying the headline 'Local Angler Hits The Jackpot', unfortunately not to be.

My bodied waggler, tapered, then tapered again, and then, finally tapered. Shotted to perfection with two inches of three sixteen'th brazing rod. My two sons came with me on the day when I would achieve 'immortality', they were aged 9 and 11, and they were sat on the bank behind me as I cast out this wonderous piece of craftmanship.

Unfortunately, the weight of the float caused the line to slip from under my finger, and a stupid weighted float hit me on the back of the head, brazing rod first, this left a great groove in the back of my head which bled somewhat.

And two sons, laid flat on their backs in the grass doing their dying fly impressions. NEVER again.. :eek:mg::D
 

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....Unfortunately, the weight of the float caused the line to slip from under my finger, and a stupid weighted float hit me on the back of the head, brazing rod first, this left a great groove in the back of my head which bled somewhat.

And two sons, laid flat on their backs in the grass doing their dying fly impressions....

Oh! - Merv - for a time-machine & video camera - this would go viral on Youtube before your sons could stop laughing! :D:D:eek:mg:

Hope there was no permanent damage :thumbs:
 

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Maybe a daft looking thing but not so daft. On another forum there was a discussion about hair loop tyers that were £20 or thereabouts, I knocked one up with two lollipop sticks a bent nail and a rubber band dropped by our local postie that worked equelly as good. £0-0/ -0p.:D
 

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A few examples of my daft ideas:

I made a bamboo trebuchet for firing out balls of ground bait - it worked but resulted in much laughter!

I once glued a hat pin on the end of an old rod top - the idea being to stick a boilie onto the pin and then whip the rod top forward thus firing out the boilie - another failure.

I wanted some bobbins for pike fishing that automatically came off of the line when I had a run. These were made with two white plastic discs with a round piece of inner tube in the middle. When the line tightened they, without resistance, they fell to the floor. Actually they worked quite well but were badly affected by the wind.

In 1991 I made a pair of bite alarms from a toy sound box, the alarms had 8 different noises, I liked the hand grenade effect best. Caught three 40lb carp on those alarms.

A bit later I made a wireless sounder box for the above alarms from a cordless door bell. We used to joke that anyone living nearby would keep going to their front door!

My son made a sounder box from an old mobile phone - carp run via satellite. He used to joke that his rods could be in Australia and he would know if he had a run.

He also made bobbins which were activated by a vibration switch which resulted in a laughing sound coming from his sounder box. Really stupid but at the time very funny.

Over the years I have made loads of stupid inventions for fishing, bivvies, rod pods, rod rest heads, carp rigs, leger rigs, spods, marker floats, swing tips, wind breaks, floats, leads, swim feeders, bobbins, etc, etc - great fun and some have actually worked!
 

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Had an attempt at making proper "Gozzers".

don't bother unless you know what your doing.

remembered to put air holes in the bucket lid, but did I foresee the newly hatched eggs crawling through the tinyest of holes?

I have ordered 20 venus fly traps for the coming invasion.
 
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