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Beware! Extremists!
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thecrow
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he Angling Trust deserves your support in its dealings with politicians and the media to defend and promote fishing. Find out all about the Angling Trust and its work at Angling Trust Organisation for Anglers or call us on 01568 620447. If you're not already a member DO consider joining.
They don't need my support, they have been given it by the EA against my wishes from my licence fee in the contract recently awarded to the AT.
There will always be someone in this world telling you what you are doing is wrong, I really don't give a **** about them, oops was that something else I have done wrong.
They don't need my support, they have been given it by the EA against my wishes from my licence fee in the contract recently awarded to the AT.
There will always be someone in this world telling you what you are doing is wrong, I really don't give a **** about them, oops was that something else I have done wrong.
wes79
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Sorry but I had to laugh at the Rainbow people making an appearance
Good old cognitive dissonance arguement......"our judge, jury and executioners are against you committing harm to things so we must harm you to make the point we are against harm"
mg:
hmmmmm kayyyyyyy
Good old cognitive dissonance arguement......"our judge, jury and executioners are against you committing harm to things so we must harm you to make the point we are against harm"
mg:hmmmmm kayyyyyyy
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arthur2sheds
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in the early noughties I encountered some "anti's" as a coach and managed to counter their arguments quite easily... one was wearing a leather jacket and a pair of Doc martens boots...
When I asked him where he thinks his jacket and boots came from he got all defensive.... 1 call to plod later and he was removed and charged with breach of the peace...
Working where I do, I come up against anti's quite a lot.. their arguments against animal experiments are easy to deflect, by asking them if they would be willing to volunteer to do the testing, so that they could have a paracetamol when they have a headache....
and I know for a fact that they'd scream blue murder should they contract a debilitating, or life threatening disease, for access to the latest drugs.... so it kinda raises the question of double standards to me....
and if the RSPCA is supposed to be a charity why are they wasting public contributions on £100k salaries and pension pot deficits.....????
tis all a con to get the rentamob fired up to rake in more shekels.....
and as for the extremists wanting to stop meat consumption, that's okay, lets hear their plans for global vegetarian food production..... Oh...! could it be that they haven't a s*dding clue....? I should say so...!
When I asked him where he thinks his jacket and boots came from he got all defensive.... 1 call to plod later and he was removed and charged with breach of the peace...
Working where I do, I come up against anti's quite a lot.. their arguments against animal experiments are easy to deflect, by asking them if they would be willing to volunteer to do the testing, so that they could have a paracetamol when they have a headache....
and I know for a fact that they'd scream blue murder should they contract a debilitating, or life threatening disease, for access to the latest drugs.... so it kinda raises the question of double standards to me....
and if the RSPCA is supposed to be a charity why are they wasting public contributions on £100k salaries and pension pot deficits.....????
tis all a con to get the rentamob fired up to rake in more shekels.....
and as for the extremists wanting to stop meat consumption, that's okay, lets hear their plans for global vegetarian food production..... Oh...! could it be that they haven't a s*dding clue....? I should say so...!
geoffmaynard
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Another excellent article from RS.
no-one in particular
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Another extremist hate filled preaching diatribe from RS.
Now its the RSPCA, what a load of piffle, the last time I read the official pamphlet on angling from the RSPCA it was full of good advice to anglers on animal and fish welfare and not one anti angling message. On the contrary, it expressed an appreciation of the hobby and peoples enjoyment of it.
Who are the AT and RS going to try to turn us all against next? Not really that bothered, it goes in one ear and out the other. Their miserable world is a world away from mine. Angling extremists are on the increase in worrying numbers.
Now its the RSPCA, what a load of piffle, the last time I read the official pamphlet on angling from the RSPCA it was full of good advice to anglers on animal and fish welfare and not one anti angling message. On the contrary, it expressed an appreciation of the hobby and peoples enjoyment of it.
Who are the AT and RS going to try to turn us all against next? Not really that bothered, it goes in one ear and out the other. Their miserable world is a world away from mine. Angling extremists are on the increase in worrying numbers.
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bennygesserit
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I agree with almost all you say but having tried a few vegan meals and done some reading then I believe vegetarian food production is much more efficient in producing calories than beef or lamb production. intuitively this would appear so too , meat production has to go through an extra biological process whereas vegetables can be eaten straight away.
I do eat meat all the time , but if you want to feed the world then vegan is the way to go.
arthur2sheds
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Sorry.... but I'll be sticking with a roasted animal for the foreseeable future.... Homo-Sapiens have canine teeth for meat eating it's how we as a race have developed our protein needs... for me a bit o' Tufu bean curd, Soya or a Linda McCartney banger don't cut it... but I take your point
stu_the_blank
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But it's not just calories that you need Benny. I have no doubt that we eat far more meat than we need to but without any, it is very difficult to get sufficient trace elements, vitamins, amino's etc without taking suppliments. Which are made by the pharmacuetical industry which most vegan's that I have met abhor.
Must put the rolled sirloin in the oven!
Stu
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Actually, got sidetracked by the food talk. Just finished reading Magnus Pyke's book on understanding nutrition (to help me revisit the HNV concepts in Carp Baits, sad isn't it!) makes very intersting reading on what we require to thrive and survive but I digress.
The article is interesting in that these extremists do weedle their way into positions of influence in all walks of life. They are fanatics, it's what they do.
However, whilst we should keep a watching brief on these nutters, we don't need to, and shouldn't over react. In most cases they devour themselves eventually.
To rally the troups, draw people into the fold, (get people to part with their hard eared ackers) you need a bogeyman of some sort. NATO/Warsaw Pact, Tory/Labour, The West/ISIS etc, Atr/Anti's (?).
I've been a member of the Atr since it started and of the ACA for decades before, so I don't need a bogeyman. I think that it's on balance a good thing, but it's my money, my choice.
I can't remember who I was answering in a remarkably mild mannered exchange on the subject of the ATr but I said that the only thing that would ever unite anglers is a very credible threat to the right to keep fishing. It's the only thing that will ever overcome our differences.
In the meantime, as despite the article no such threat exists at the moment, if you want to be a member of the ATr do, if not, don't.
Obviously at the moment, if you assume approx 1M anglers (that I think is the most frightening statistic, it used to be 4M!) most don't or can't see why they should.
Stu
Whenever reading the name P#TA I always remember the FACT that their president Ingrid Newkirk is an insulin dependent diabetic, who uses an animal based Insulin . . . . . . . shades of double standards perhaps?
Where I would agree with RS though is that these activists at P#TA are in it for the long, long game and target children all over the world.
Where I would disagree with RS however is that the Angling Trust to not deserve my support, rather that they have to earn it!
Currently I am a member but that status is wholly contingent upon them continuing to be successful in their work for Angling.
Where I would agree with RS though is that these activists at P#TA are in it for the long, long game and target children all over the world.
Where I would disagree with RS however is that the Angling Trust to not deserve my support, rather that they have to earn it!
Currently I am a member but that status is wholly contingent upon them continuing to be successful in their work for Angling.
I saw one of those BBC nature programmes about sharks. A couple of the camera people were wearing T shirts with the logo PETA on them no doubt for a bit of subliminal propaganda.
The thing was the hypocrites were attracting the sharks to be filmed with.....................mashed up dead fish for rubby dubby.
The thing was the hypocrites were attracting the sharks to be filmed with.....................mashed up dead fish for rubby dubby.
stu_the_blank
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You'd think that they would have tried to convince Jaws that Tofu was a superior alternative!
Rather than joining the ATr, one thing that we can all do is find out which companies or organisations support P#TA and boycott them when you can. I haven't eaten Ben and Jerry's ice cream for years. They are a bunch of extremist nutters with an agenda that would horrify most people. Of course they don't promote their more unpopular policies (banning the keeping of pets being just one).
Stu
thecrow
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PETA have received support from the following celebrities:
Actors/Actresses: Aishwarya Rai, Alec Baldwin, Alicia Silverstone, Alyssa Milano, Amy Smart, Anjelica Huston, Bonnie Hunt, Casey Affleck, Charlize Theron, Charlotte Ross, Charo, Doris Day, Elisabetta Canalis, Emily Deschanel, Emily Procter, Eva Mendes, Esai Morales, Forest Whitaker, Gillian Anderson, Ginnifer Goodwin, Hayden Panettiere, Isabel Lucas, Jamie Bamber, Jane Lynch, Jessica Biel, Joaquin Phoenix, Joe Mantegna, Jorja Fox, Keanu Reeves, Kellan Lutz, Kim Basinger, Kristen Bell, Kristen Johnston, Kristoff St. John, Kyle Maclachlan, Lea Michele, Melanie Griffith, Michael Vartan, Mickey Rourke, Natalie Portman, Nicholas Gonzalez, Olivia Munn, Owain Yeoman, Pamela Anderson, Pierce Brosnan, Portia de Rossi, Raul Julia-Levy, Rahul Khanna, Roger Moore, Ryan Gosling, Sadie Frost, Sarah Gilbert, Toni Collette, Teri Hatcher, Tippi Hedren, William Baldwin and Woody Harrelson.
Musicians/Singers:
Ben Gibbard, Bryan Adams, Carrie Underwood, Chrissie Hynde, Chris Walla, Common, Dave Navarro, Death Cab For Cutie, Eddie Vedder, Emmylou Harris, Jason McGerr, Joan Jett, Michael Stipe, Missy Higgins, Moby, Monica Dogra, Morrissey, Paul McCartney, Pink, Rise Against, Roger Daltrey, Sarah Connor, Sean Kingston, Shirley Manson, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Tommy Lee, Trent Reznor and Teri Hatcher
Doesn't Roger Daltrey have a Trout fishery?
Actors/Actresses: Aishwarya Rai, Alec Baldwin, Alicia Silverstone, Alyssa Milano, Amy Smart, Anjelica Huston, Bonnie Hunt, Casey Affleck, Charlize Theron, Charlotte Ross, Charo, Doris Day, Elisabetta Canalis, Emily Deschanel, Emily Procter, Eva Mendes, Esai Morales, Forest Whitaker, Gillian Anderson, Ginnifer Goodwin, Hayden Panettiere, Isabel Lucas, Jamie Bamber, Jane Lynch, Jessica Biel, Joaquin Phoenix, Joe Mantegna, Jorja Fox, Keanu Reeves, Kellan Lutz, Kim Basinger, Kristen Bell, Kristen Johnston, Kristoff St. John, Kyle Maclachlan, Lea Michele, Melanie Griffith, Michael Vartan, Mickey Rourke, Natalie Portman, Nicholas Gonzalez, Olivia Munn, Owain Yeoman, Pamela Anderson, Pierce Brosnan, Portia de Rossi, Raul Julia-Levy, Rahul Khanna, Roger Moore, Ryan Gosling, Sadie Frost, Sarah Gilbert, Toni Collette, Teri Hatcher, Tippi Hedren, William Baldwin and Woody Harrelson.
Musicians/Singers:
Ben Gibbard, Bryan Adams, Carrie Underwood, Chrissie Hynde, Chris Walla, Common, Dave Navarro, Death Cab For Cutie, Eddie Vedder, Emmylou Harris, Jason McGerr, Joan Jett, Michael Stipe, Missy Higgins, Moby, Monica Dogra, Morrissey, Paul McCartney, Pink, Rise Against, Roger Daltrey, Sarah Connor, Sean Kingston, Shirley Manson, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Tommy Lee, Trent Reznor and Teri Hatcher
Doesn't Roger Daltrey have a Trout fishery?
B
binka
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If not now he certainly used to...
stu_the_blank
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I last went there about 5 yrs ago and he was certainly still fly fishing, he came down and had a few carsts in the evening. He still lives in the house but no idea if he still owns the lakes.
Stu
bennygesserit
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I went to a vegan festival , a few years ago , as I was leaving the house my daughter said " you aren't wearing that jacket are you Dad ?" She was right traipsing round Wolverhampton in a WBA jacket wasn't the best plan , so I grabbed my leather .....
There were wome very interesting stuff there , cooking demos, fake meats , green party stuff , but there was also a big stand
FISH THE FORGOTTEN VICTIMS
That described what happens to trawled fish , interesting , but I still eat them.
There were wome very interesting stuff there , cooking demos, fake meats , green party stuff , but there was also a big stand
FISH THE FORGOTTEN VICTIMS
That described what happens to trawled fish , interesting , but I still eat them.
wes79
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Not sure if this is entirely relevant due to being over the pond (the states) but there seems to be quite a lot of talk about animal cruelty originating from this very self righteous of social justice warriors/people of the rainbow group.
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mg: Looks like a P.A. stunt then after all, never get in the way of a social justice warrior, they will automatically have a bottomless pit of funding (even in times of austerity) to out warrior you
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mg: Looks like a P.A. stunt then after all, never get in the way of a social justice warrior, they will automatically have a bottomless pit of funding (even in times of austerity) to out warrior you Cliff Hatton
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wanderer
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Hmm, not posted on this website before, overstocked lakes overfull off carp, caught by match anglers and dumped in keepnets with a hundred pound of fish dumped on top of them, food for thought, I am a lifelong specialist angler, 50 years of fishing, do not give them ammunition, we need to keep our own house in order in this PC world.