Destiny

wanderer · Sep 16, 2015

Okay lads, I will tell you of my own experiences and my own hopes for the future of carp angling and then I want to hear yours. My background was a specialisation with Tench and Barbell and Pike, shifted slightly to Cats, but love the Roach, Rudd, and big Bream and as a matter of course caught some big carp accidentally along the way. Most of my fishing these days are Carp and Barbell, very little use of boilies, no bedchair, I reckon you should be alert at all times whatever the quarry. I spend 8 hours watching rod tips , I have alarms, but the indications tell you everything. Carp were few and far between when I was young and a capture was a special moment. The river, long nights in a deckchair under a brolley with a hurricane lamp, cracker barrel cheese for the wildies and by God the freezing kid really appreciated it if he caught anything. that spirit has gone as far as I can see, a few guys frequent the sparsely populated big pits, and the rivers and canals are virtually deserted, we really earned our fish and progressed up to carp, through experience. B.B. Denys Watkins-Pitchford , who I met many times, he was a local teacher and naturalist,, fished Redmire for 20 years and never caught a carp, his hope and ethos should inspire us all. I see carp angling, much as squash playing during the seventies, a fad, and I hope the commercials go bust as it loses its attraction, fishing is deeper than catching, camping, and alchaholic social with guaranteed catches two weeks after you purchased your tackle. Yep, you can give me some verbal, but the true spirit will never die because it is born in generations replicating the ancient hunting instincts of their ancestors.

sam vimes · Sep 16, 2015

There are many aspects of angling that I'm not overly keen on. I have my own preferences and ways of doing things. There are places, species, methods and people I avoid because I don't particularly like them. I don't care that others don't share that dislike. I don't care if others do share my views and preferences. I don't much like fishing for predators, so I just don't do it. I don't try to preach against anyone else doing so.

However, my greatest hope is that, one fine day, other anglers will leave others to get on with their fishing, in whatever (legal) way they see fit. There are no rights or wrongs, no single true path. Sadly, I think that's about as likely as me being the next pope. My patience with the one true way, the snobby my way is better, or the you don't want to do it like that types is pretty well worn. Unfortunately, angling seems to be absolutely chock full of them.

wanderer · Sep 16, 2015

There is no right way only Sam, but if we are not careful, we are in danger of producing the packaged angler and for so many people coming into the sport, its basic skills will be lost for ever, the dinosaurs will be extinct and, the only available fishing will be determined by stocking levels and expensive baits. I have a mate, in his eighties, came in to carp angling because he watched me catch a couple from the River Nene, he tried and tried but , it was no go, I took him to a heavily stocked club lake and showed him how to catch on it. He loved it and caught regularly week after week, we nicknamed him peg 12, because anywhere else on the venue , he blanked, every other venue he blanked. He was happy with what he was doing but all other avenues and trains of thought seemed to pas him by, he would love to have the skill set to unlock much harder waters but time and his own nature are against him. I feel we are in danger of going down this route in a big way if we are not careful. The rivers and canals are devoid of anglers, as every one gravitates towards the carp puddles with there bag of the latest wonder boilie or pitches up on a big pit with just hope, but no expectation of catching whilst partying with there pals. Some guys do have the dedication to stick at it and work out these big pits but most seem content blanking in a very large beer garden. Me , I fit somewhere in the middle, content on the old Estate lakes, no time anymore to work the pits, I still fish the river and canals, hidden gold, no pressure, big fish and cheap as chips..

sam vimes · Sep 16, 2015

I don't necessarily disagree with the general thrust of what you're saying. I know plenty of very limited anglers, some of which are totally uninterested in learning any more. However, I differ in that I don't much care what others get up to. People will do whatever floats their boat. If that's sticking to a single water, catching nowt or a bit of glorified camping. Good luck to them, not for me, but no one has any right to question what other people do and enjoy, provided it's legal. If they are happy, let them get on with it. Not everyone shares the same angling outlook, desires or passion.

arthur2sheds · Sep 16, 2015

I've found that the more technologically advanced carping becomes, the more I am regressing back in time to old methods/baits etc... I have decided that I no longer want to be part of an increasing crowd of unsmiling, secretive, clones with batteries of 3 rods, alarms, big-pits & bivvies etc... I find myself increasingly using just one rod and stalking my fish up close and personal.

With the advent of the interweb, media, (paper and electronic) angling knowledge has been readily available to all that want it.... the downside of that is you'll acquire the answers too easily, a good analogy is a kid doing a maths exam today.... yer average nipper uses a calculator to work out a problem but doesn't need to show how they got to the answer

mg:

My 53 years of fishing have taught me skills that a lot of the modern Anglers/Carpers lack.... Like watercraft and etiquette to name a couple of 'em...

Still, as a certain Corvine member is keen to point out, it's their choice, but then, does that choice allow them to behave badly bankside...? Casting to far margins, spodding over your spots, drink, drugs, aggression...?

I'm becoming increasingly intolerant of some of the modern carpers behaviour.... By all means have a social..... but for the love of Christ.... behave yerselves... The actions of a few are defining the rest of us

thecrow · Sep 17, 2015

arthur2sheds said:
Still, as a certain Corvine member is keen to point out, it's their choice, but then, does that choice allow them to behave badly bankside...? Casting to far margins, spodding over your spots, drink, drugs, aggression...?

NO of coarse it doesn't allow them to do that, nor would it be acceptable from anglers looking to catch other species, or even river anglers who seeing a fish caught think its ok to cut down bankside cover to make it easier for them to fish but means the swim no longer contains fish. Plenty of bad behaviour happens from anglers that do not fish for Carp.

There are some on here and in angling in general that think that their way of angling is the way angling should be carried out, they are wrong! if another angler is enjoying what they are doing and it isn't harming or interfering with the fish and others fishing I see no problem, why is it such a problem that information is readily available? seems to me that some see themselves as something special to be listened to by "lesser anglers" and they are rapidly becoming an angling version of Victor Meldrew.

wanderer · Sep 17, 2015

sam vimes said:
I don't necessarily disagree with the general thrust of what you're saying. I know plenty of very limited anglers, some of which are totally uninterested in learning any more. However, I differ in that I don't much care what others get up to. People will do whatever floats their boat. If that's sticking to a single water, catching nowt or a bit of glorified camping. Good luck to them, not for me, but no one has any right to question what other people do and enjoy, provided it's legal. If they are happy, let them get on with it. Not everyone shares the same angling outlook, desires or passion.

To put this in a positive note Sam, the overstocked pits with the biggies are usually adjacent to a river, flooding ensures that the guys that pay through the nose for their easy PB, are stocking the river through the annual deluge, keep it up lads, you are doing a great job.

---------- Post added at 00:03 ---------- Previous post was Yesterday at 23:55 ----------

Just an after thought for you guys, I have loved test cricket all my life, twenty twenty, has destroyed test technique, I don't want to see angling go down this route, how about you.

arthur2sheds · Sep 17, 2015

why is it such a problem that information is readily available? seems to me that some see themselves as something special to be listened to by "lesser anglers" and they are rapidly becoming an angling version of Victor Meldrew.

Seems to me you're missing the point... intentionally or not, for the sake of argument... the behaviour of modern anglers is deteriorating and as there are more and more people carping these days, then carping will be seen as the face of "Angling"...

As for wanting to be listened to..... why are you or I posting on this, or any other fora....? because we want our opinions to be heard... Welcome to the club Victor

sam vimes · Sep 17, 2015

wanderer said:
Just an after thought for you guys, I have loved test cricket all my life, twenty twenty, has destroyed test technique, I don't want to see angling go down this route, how about you.

I don't recall the last time I sat down to watch several hours of someone else carp fishing, either in the flesh or on TV. I don't care how others go about it. Their results and enjoyment are not something that worry me. That might not be the case with cricket. The analogy doesn't stand any scrutiny.

Angling is something that should be personal. Each of us should do as we see fit, provided it's legal. Everyone else should be afforded the opportunity to do the same, regardless of whether others dislike it or not.

thecrow · Sep 17, 2015

sam vimes said:
Angling is something that should be personal. Each of us should do as we see fit, provided it's legal. Everyone else should be afforded the opportunity to do the same, regardless of whether others dislike it or not.

Spot on post................

arthur2sheds · Sep 17, 2015

Each of us should do as we see fit, provided it's legal

but when you've arrived at the crack of dawn and perfectly-placed a couple of long-distance crusts it's nothing less than outrageous for someone to roll up and depth-charge your baits with a spod for the next half hour then to hurl 3 lots of 4oz rigs at them without so much as a thought for whose fishing he might be wrecking.

Unfortunately there are some people who do as they see fit and whilst it may be legal, it certainly p*sses other folk off...:wh

It's not illegal, but is it right....?

sam vimes · Sep 17, 2015

If you are going to quote from other threads for effect, you really should include my responses from that very thread, which make a complete nonesense of your rather selective quoting of me. I'm really not that interested in countering the same irrational rubbish when I've already done so, in the very next post to the one you've quoted.

I get it, you're one of quite a few that have a thing for carpers. Good for you, you'll feel right at home here.

wanderer · Sep 18, 2015

thecrow said:
Spot on post................

I think if the fish had an opinion, it would be not to be tethered by someone unable to make his rods in time to stop it reaching the snags, because he is either, drunk , drugged or asleep, I have heard guys say that it takes them 5 seconds, never sleeping whilst having lines in the water, I can assure you this is not true, we are all in this sport together, me , you and the fish.

thecrow · Sep 18, 2015

wanderer said:
I think if the fish had an opinion,

If they did I am sure it would be that they don't want to be caught at all by anyone no matter who they were or how they fished.

cg74 · Sep 18, 2015

sam vimes said:
I don't recall the last time I sat down to watch several hours of someone else carp fishing, either in the flesh or on TV. I don't care how others go about it. Their results and enjoyment are not something that worry me. That might not be the case with cricket. The analogy doesn't stand any scrutiny.

Angling is something that should be personal. Each of us should do as we see fit, provided it's legal. Everyone else should be afforded the opportunity to do the same, regardless of whether others dislike it or not.

As Crow said (very correctly): "Spot on post..."

wanderer · Sep 18, 2015

Not always, Sam and my flying friend, one has to consider the health and well being of the species, they are not just a commodity, they are living creatures and if some one who has no skill in dealing with such a big fish , ends up connected then, we have a problem. The guy in the bivvy asleep from last nights booze who reckons he can make those rods in five seconds is only dreaming. I have turned up at 4 in the morning and witnessed a nglers with buzzers screaming , unzipping the front of bivvies and coming into contact long after the fish have made the snags or gone through other anglers lines, life isn't about live and let live, there are boundaries, none of us should cross them.

arthur2sheds · Sep 18, 2015

I get it, you're one of quite a few that have a thing for carpers. Good for you, you'll feel right at home here.

So far off the mark you'd need a ticket to get back in Sam....:wh
Been a carper since 1970's.... started at Fairlop, Hainault and South Weald... still am a carper, done a shedload of the big commies like Linear, Bluebell, And Monument, now fishing with a syndi Ticket on one of the Lily fishery waters...

It doesn't stop me from disliking ****s that misbehave on the bankside though

mg:

wanderer · Sep 18, 2015

arthur2sheds said:
So far off the mark you'd need a ticket to get back in Sam....:wh
Been a carper since 1970's.... started at Fairlop, Hainault and South Weald... still am a carper, done a shedload of the big commies like Linear, Bluebell, And Monument, now fishing with a syndi Ticket on one of the Lily fishery waters...

It doesn't stop me from disliking ****s that misbehave on the bankside thoughmg:

Good on yer Arthur, couldn't agree more.

kenpm · Sep 19, 2015

Many years ago there was a comical article that appeared in one of the Coarse Angler/Coarse Fisherman magazines at the time describing Carp fishing in the year 2020 I think was the date here is an abbreviated and slightly modified version of it.
The venue was a perfectly circular pool with no features other than zones and you paid according to the zone that the larger fish had been last captured,each fish stocked was named and photographed individually and details such as colour of bait and flavour last captured on was recorded in the fishery catalogue along with tips from the venue experts.
When you picked your zone and paid you were directed to a numbered seat in one of the five rows of seating surrounding,similar to a football ground,with a screen and console by which you "cast" your selected bait remotely from one of the automatic rod /reel combinations arranged 3 yards apart around the perimeter of the pool.
Viewing the console you had an underwater view of your bait and a built in echo sounder that alerted you to the presence of a fish called "Lucy too"approaching your hookbait,sometimes the fish ignored your offering but very rarely as that was the only food present and if you did see her sampling your bait a quick stab on the "strike" button resulted in you playing the fish remotely via the console to the waiting net where she was unhooked and weighed by an attendant to muted applause from the attendant crowd in blue zone.
Just to maintain interest during the fight certain obstructions would appear on the console such as weed or snags and if you were really unlucky your line could snap.
After viewing your catch details on the complex big screen your record standing was automatically updated with "Lucy Too" 36kg 140g taken on Soylent Green and I would add that your entry would appear on the website and social media immediately.

The future is nearly here.

bennygesserit · Sep 19, 2015

kenpm said:
Many years ago there was a comical article that appeared in one of the Coarse Angler/Coarse Fisherman magazines at the time describing Carp fishing in the year 2020 I think was the date here is an abbreviated and slightly modified version of it.
The venue was a perfectly circular pool with no features other than zones and you paid according to the zone that the larger fish had been last captured,each fish stocked was named and photographed individually and details such as colour of bait and flavour last captured on was recorded in the fishery catalogue along with tips from the venue experts.
When you picked your zone and paid you were directed to a numbered seat in one of the five rows of seating surrounding,similar to a football ground,with a screen and console by which you "cast" your selected bait remotely from one of the automatic rod /reel combinations arranged 3 yards apart around the perimeter of the pool.
Viewing the console you had an underwater view of your bait and a built in echo sounder that alerted you to the presence of a fish called "Lucy too"approaching your hookbait,sometimes the fish ignored your offering but very rarely as that was the only food present and if you did see her sampling your bait a quick stab on the "strike" button resulted in you playing the fish remotely via the console to the waiting net where she was unhooked and weighed by an attendant to muted applause from the attendant crowd in blue zone.
Just to maintain interest during the fight certain obstructions would appear on the console such as weed or snags and if you were really unlucky your line could snap.
After viewing your catch details on the complex big screen your record standing was automatically updated with "Lucy Too" 36kg 140g taken on Soylent Green and I would add that your entry would appear on the website and social media immediately.

The future is nearly here.

Very eloquent , except you miss the point , fish how YOU want , watch YOUR OWN rod , watch YOUR OWN float.

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