Divisions in course fishing - a sad tale

daniel121

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Why oh why? Do we have so many dividing genras who all seem to be against each other in modern fishing, It never used to be like this? Let's look at the genras in modern course fishing;

Purists - The ones who look down their noses at someone fishing a man made water - like a canal, dyke, pond or some stretches of river? Ban people from a forum for mentioning carbon :D Yes we should use cane rods and fish ancient glaciers only! :eek:mg:

Matchmen - who drop litter everywhere about like louts around the lake/river, belittling anyone who does not have matching bait tubs colour coded to their box and holdall! Yes we should all buy 3000 pound poles and fish them as long as possible all in a nice neat line and have a full box leveling system of their 1000 pounds boxes to fish from level platforms :D :eek:mg:

Carper's - who make bank fires, drink Fosters Carling etc and must have the latest 'carper' kit. Yes these lads will spend weekends or longer fishing for Burt the mirror carp from the airchair swim. But can never seen using any noddy matchmen kit or tactics. They tend to like camo too! Its very important to have a camo bivy it helps the white transit van parked next it blend in :D :eek:mg:

Specialists - These people seem to command a certain amount of superiority about them, they are 'true' fishermen who don't follow fashion. They wouldn't have to have x y and z kit or always fish poles or bolt rigs! No they are all rounders that catch large fish of all species. They tend to hold view anyone can mess with tiddlers like the 'unskilled' matchmen or fish runs waters like the 'instant' Carper's. But these people must wear green at all times and can never be seen with bright matchmen clothing or camo'd carper clothing, far more important than watercraft this :D

Pleasure anglers - the bottom of the barrel - the enemy of all the above groups of people, these people tend to do such terrible sins like - mmm fishing a pole from a carp chair, wearing a camo jacket while fishing on a seat box, or yeah, I've got it wait for this bad boy... Enjoying their fishing and not taking it too Seriously! I mean such idoits. The fact some don't fish in adverse conditions and/or have a PB list with a 8lb carp on it. Numpties :(

Think about it we are all fishing for enjoyment/pleasure. We all 'get' something from being on the bank. Why can we not tolerate others differences and help each other out?
 
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That just about sums up angling and all that is wrong with it. Where would I fit in? I am just a angler that fishes for pleasure but I am not a pleasure angler.
 

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You forgot the Allrounder. Us Purist, match winning, carp catching, specialist, pleasure angling, fluff chucking game old salty dogs that think the rest of ya are just narrow minded........... :)
 

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You forgot to mention us old fossil anglers.:wh

In that vein of looking down noses...... I had a good chuckle a few years back whilst on holiday in Dorset.
I sneaked away to a day ticket water with my telescopic rod and camping seat for a morning.
On arrival I could feel the looks of the "serious" anglers as I tackled up.
They had been apparently biteless.
I then proceeded to empty the place with my secret bait(bread flake). On getting the first carp near the lake one of the "proper" anglers came hurrying over to help me land it. I declined as everything was under control.
I maybe had about half a dozen before I was due back.

Of course I probably just happened on the right spot at the right time...but I did enjoy it:D
 
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I think things will never change, everyone has their own side and some flit from one side to the other.
Even the self appointed so called the voice of anglers have made their choice, even though they have a foot in two camps.
I agree us that have dropped our affiliation from one group or another and just fish for self gratification have somehow been branded pleasure anglers, that's OK folk can label me how they like. The thing is we should be all just anglers and we are not. Anglers who label themselves are welcome to call themselves what ever they like.

In the nineties I once worked for a chap who's son was tying rigs so I said ha an angler this lad was about 16, he replied do you know what kind of fishing I do.
I just looked at him with a puzzled look and he said I'm a Carp angler.

We will never all agree and a small clubs like the Angling Trust can never represent us all.
 

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I would fall into the pleasure angler category as that is what it is to me. I fish to relax, unwind and enjoy the scenery. If I was judged by my PB achievements I would undoubtedly fall into the clueless numpty division, but I really care not a jot. I am more than willing to learn and believe (with help from guys on here) that I have improved to a degree, but it does not keep me awake at night and if it did, I would stop. I enjoy reading the reports from those that do match fish as their enthusiasm is so obvious and I get a little green eyed at some of the whoppers that show up from time to time, but I like where I fish and it does me fine. Still love Gudgeon!:D
 

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I always remember a match I fished a few years ago, it was on a horseshoe shaped lake. We had one side the carp boys had the other. At the end of the match our top weight was around the 150lb mark good fish upto high double all caught on shallow fished pellet. The carp anglers in the mean time had caught nothing when they asked why they didn’t fish up in the water.
Answer was you are matchmen we are carp anglers, we don’t fish they way you do.
 

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Thank Goodness for the different disciplines.

Once you've explored one, you can move on and learn from others generous to share their knowledge and skills.

Most of the " jokes" are really just that. Unless of course you use those cotton reel things and beansticks.
 

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You forgot barbel anglers, fisherman of the river Pig :D

We are all Pleasure anglers in one way or another, thats why we go.

Fishing will never be as it was, and the same goes for all sports.

Thats what money does. Carp, Match or whatever, some seem to think the more the gear cost, the better angler, or bigger fish you will catch.

I don't take a lot of notice of others, unless they are doing something they shouldn't.

I am more than happy to help someone if i can, but i don't put anglers in swims etc etc. That part you have to work out for yourself, thats part of the game.
 

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I aspire to numptihood with pb list that won't compare well against many others, but I do enjoy my fishing. I swear and curse when things don't go my way but I can tolerate bad days and blanks and never seem reluctant to go again when catches are poor.
The message for tolerance is a good one, in general life not just fishing. I guess there is some psychological imperative that makes us want to identify with a group of like minded folk. I feel this is a good forum for me in that respect. I like to know others can enjoy themselves in a way that suits them and most others on here seem to demonstrate a high level of respect for each others preferences; when not ripping the **ss out someone anyway.
 
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I've been privileged to have known some good blokes from all disciplines in my time and where a divide seems to be evident I don't see the discipline as being the cause, more the personality of the person behind it.

If anything I think the more tolerant and open minded have always come across as better and happier anglers themselves.

I've found that the one thing that unites these so called divides is the pleasure derived from what each person enjoys and once you get beyond the "category tag" you soon realise we're all just fisherman (and occasionally women), enjoying what we do, regardless.
 

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I don't put myself in any sort of categories I just go out fishing for enjoyment be it for carp or any other species.

And if I blank which I quite often do never mind there's always another day.
 

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The latest addition, the internet angler, very patient this new breed, they will pre-bait very carefully then they will wait and wait for their prey to make one mistake, one slip and then they got them.

:):)

Personally, I have tried almost every branch of the sport I think, sea coarse and a bit of game here and there. It can all be special; catching a couple of roach when all else has failed to a fine specimen fish of any sort is all good really. There never used to be this division thing once upon a time, I think a lot of it has arisen from the internet, just one of the downsides of the blooming thing. We never walked into a pub and told some stranger he was a numpty because he fished for x,y, or z or his method was rubbish once upon a time, probably got a good smack if we did. Quite right to.
 
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I have fished seriously for Carp as I have Barbel, Roach, Pike and even Bream (bloody great things that I never did come to terms with) at the time I was fishing for a particular species I never thought of myself as being an angler that was prefixed with a species, I am an angler i have been dismayed but not disappointed when i catch fish that are not the particular target for that day the same as times when i have been surprised and pleased by catching something i didn't expect.

I don't understand the divisions within angling but believe that the tackle companies and some sections of the press are to blame for some of it. They have promoted the idea that to catch big or well or consistently the very best of this that and the other is needed leading to the i want it now angler or the i am better than you because i have better tackle angler or even the i am better than you because i have caught a bigger fish than you, most on here know its a load of testicles.

I don't have a vast array of tackle, i have very little to what i used to have as my health precludes me from using it, i see other anglers with better? more expensive tackle than my own and while it is nice to own good tackle its more important to me to own tackle that does the job i need it for but i would never criticise anyone for being able to own expensive tackle.

I am an angler sometimes a decent one sometimes absolutely rubbish but its about enjoying it which i still do on the fewer occasions i get out nowadays, if anyone spends their time thinking they are better or above other anglers they are missing out.
 

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The message for tolerance is a good one, in general life not just fishing. I guess there is some psychological imperative that makes us want to identify with a group of like minded folk. I feel this is a good forum for me in that respect. I like to know others can enjoy themselves in a way that suits them and most others on here seem to demonstrate a high level of respect for each others preferences; when not ripping the **ss out someone anyway.

Just a like is not enough for this, I believe your absolutely spot on. The need to belong to a group in modern world seems to be very very important to people. Also I believe unfortunately there is an intolerance towards others who differ from you.

I agree 100%_with what you said about this forum in the short time I've been on here I found the people on it great :thumbs:

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The crow

I believe your right the tackle companies have turned the advertising and/or marketing to 11 in resent years. However largly I believe this is because there are less Fishermen on the bank to what they was in the 60's and 70's. So maybe they have had too to survive?

Peter

That photo is brilliant :D:thumbs:

Markg

Maybe your right, the Internet is definitely born keyboard warriors
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:D don't think that's the sole reason though
 

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I'm not entirely convinced that posting a great list of ridiculous negative stereotypes is going to do a great deal to alleviate any divisions that there might be.

On any given day I may just fit into any of those categories, though you'll not be catching me with a lump of wood (overgrown grass really) for a rod any time soon. I know full well that there are people out there that will avoid me on the banks based on the type of fishing I'm doing, gear I'm using or clothing I'm wearing. I couldn't care less what narrow minded idiots want to do.
 

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What a good thread. Since the age of nine years old I have been fishing, just for a bite. Sixty six years later I am still doing the same thing and enjoying every minute of it. Not sure what that classify me as, but what ever it's is it's great. Rock on. Pete.
 

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I've never been someone who conformed, when people all around me were listening to Motown or Soul music, I was listening to Sabbath or Deep Purple.

So belonging to a certain group has never interested me.

With my fishing, I don't want to restrict myself to a certain genre I would like to have a go at everything. But I seem to end up watching a float with maggot or worms on the hook and just enjoying myself.

Am I weird?
 
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