Would you buy cheap brand tackle ?

markcw

Exiled Northerner
Joined
Sep 22, 2017
Messages
12,915
Reaction score
11,329
Location
Oxford, and occasionally Warrington Lancs
Would you buy cheap brand tackle ? an example would be a Cormoran rod or reel, not a big brand in the shops, but it is Daiwas European brand. so in effect you are buying a Daiwa rod, Chapmans have brought their own pellet wagglerand feeder rods out called Shuriken, Again Daiwa rods that look very similar to the harrier or ninja range and similar price,£40. They Cormoran MAY not be of the same grade of carbon as some Daiwa rods but they perform pretty well, There are other brands out there that come under a "major" brand umbrella, See if you can think of any..
 

john step

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 17, 2011
Messages
7,006
Reaction score
3,994
Location
There
Yes. Daiwa Sensor. NGT carp rods. I have two 11 foot travel carp rods that are quite frankly very good. I use them nowadays a lot when not travelling. NGT luggage is pretty good too.
Worth looking at NGT Direct site. Not sure if I would trust the hooks/made up rigs without seeing them though.
 

mikench

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 1, 2015
Messages
27,417
Reaction score
17,784
Location
leafy cheshire
I like NGT luggage and reel cases and the few Shakey rods I have are excellent! Is Shakespeare a cheap brand? If it's good then why not. Darent Valley rods are another example.
 

markcw

Exiled Northerner
Joined
Sep 22, 2017
Messages
12,915
Reaction score
11,329
Location
Oxford, and occasionally Warrington Lancs
John, a friend has the NGT travel rods, he rates them very highly and has had carp to around 15lb on them,
Mike by cheap brand, I should have put brand that people may have heard of but would be wary of buying, I think Shakespeare is a good brand that sells good tackle cheaply.
 

sam vimes

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 7, 2011
Messages
12,242
Reaction score
1,913
Location
North Yorkshire.
Bar my perverse and entirely irrational aversion to Shakespeare, I don't really give a damn what name a bit of fishing kit carries. However, I don't generally operate in the budget price ranges. If I genuinely believed that I could get a Cormoran version of a top end Daiwa, for a much lower price, I'd happily buy it. However, the reality is that this kind of thing rarely happens. The multiple brand companies have their flagship brands, and that's where their latest technology and innovations end up first. Yes, you might find a budget Daiwa rod with Cormoran on it at a lower price, but you aren't likely to find an Airity or Tournament RS with Cormoran branding any time soon.

Daiwa and Cormoran are effectively the same company, but Cormoran aren't a big presence in the UK.
Hardy, Greys and Chub were offshoot brands of the same company. Now they are part of an even bigger umbrella company with even more brands, Pure Fishing. They have Mitchell, Shakespeare, Abu, and others, as well as Hardy, Greys and Chub.
Zebco Europe have multiple brands, some of which aren't overly familiar, but Browning Fishing is one of theirs.
Preston Innovations has their main brand as well as Korum (their specialist arm) and Avid (carp).
Fox have carp, predator and specialist brands. They used to have Fox Match too, but that's been rebranded as Matrix.
Drennan operate ESP as their carp brand.
Korda now has their own match fishing brand, Guru.
Shimano are actually Shimano Normark UK. They operate numerous sub brands such as Dynamite Baits, G-Loomis, Rapala, PowerPro, ACE, Sufix and Storm. Weirdly , they've done nothing much with the Normark name since they bought it.

The reality is that there aren't actually that many entirely discrete brands out there. It's entirely possible for a local shop to effectively have almost all its stock come from just a couple of companies.
 

mikench

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 1, 2015
Messages
27,417
Reaction score
17,784
Location
leafy cheshire
There is a big Angling event coming up soon called " The big one" and I see a company called Normark UK have a stand! Are they about to make a comeback?

Shimano have their own stand!
 

sam vimes

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 7, 2011
Messages
12,242
Reaction score
1,913
Location
North Yorkshire.
There is a big Angling event coming up soon called " The big one" and I see a company called Normark UK have a stand! Are they about to make a comeback?

Shimano have their own stand!

It's possible, but I doubt it. Shimano UK bought the Normark brand name several years ago. They rebranded as Shimano Normark UK in 2011. There hasn't been a Normark branded product since well before that. Even if Normark branded rods do reappear, I doubt it will be with the involvement of the two blokes, Geoff Salisbury and Omri Thomas, that were the main influence first time around. Since the sold the brand name to Masterline, they have already moved onto, and folded, the Carbotec brand.
 

S-Kippy

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 2, 2006
Messages
14,504
Reaction score
5,830
Location
Stuck on the chuffin M25 somewhere between Heathro
I pretty well agree with Chris...bar his irrational dislike of Shakespeare gear which he could, with justification, say is no different to my irrational dislike of Shimano reels.

There is some decent stuff to be had at the budget end of the market and I will happily have it irrespective of brand provided it is ( imo) fit for purpose. There is also a lot of tat so you need to be a bit careful. I'd rather pay a bit more and be happy with whatever if is than save a few quid and never truly be content.

Odd things excepted my major purchases tend to be mid range gear which I think, overall, offers the best value....if you do your homework,shop around and get it a bit cheaper so much the better. I'm speaking here mainly about rods and reels...I'm much more likely to take a punt on budget level luggage etc. Price differential is an issue too....I need to be satisfied a (say) reel is worth (to me) paying a premium for. I like Daiwa reels but wont pay silly money for their top of the range models when a much cheaper model is perfectly good enough for what I want it to do.

Hooks and line I wont compromise on...no matter how cheap they might be.
 
Last edited:

wetthrough

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 2, 2018
Messages
1,312
Reaction score
1,980
Location
Cheshire
I would do if it was as good but from past experience it usually isn't. That doesn't mean that cheap gear isn't good. It's just
not as good as I want it. And like S-Kippy, when it comes to line I don't really care how much it is.
 

thecrow

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 12, 2014
Messages
7,607
Reaction score
5
Location
Old Arley home of the Crows
As many on here know I wont/cant pay for expensive tackle, even when I could I wouldn't unless I couldn't find a cheaper alternative to do a specific job I needed something for, not having expensive tackle hasn't spoiled my enjoyment and it certainly hasn't seemed to bother the fish so yes if I thought it would do the job I wanted at the right price I would/ always have purchased stuff from the cheaper end of the market.

Imo it depends on what you are going to be doing with the rod/reel mine were mostly sitting on buzzers or rests, obviously for trotting weight would be a factor and that might involve a bit more expense but if I needed something like that I would look for used stuff.
 

S-Kippy

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 2, 2006
Messages
14,504
Reaction score
5,830
Location
Stuck on the chuffin M25 somewhere between Heathro
Nothing wrong with used gear provided its in good nick. A good proportion of my gear is second hand and that can ( provided you're careful) offer better value than buying budget end gear. TBH I am much more likely to do that than take a risk on a brand I barely know. Snapping up discontinued ranges is good too...got some cracking gear that way.

But at the budget end there are some decent bargains to be had for not very much. The Darent Valley "lights" being an outstanding example.
 

peter crabtree

AKA Simon, 1953 - 2022 (RIP)
Joined
Oct 8, 2008
Messages
8,304
Reaction score
3,263
Location
Metroland. SW Herts
Personally I would rather pay top money and get top quality gear. These days some retailers will do interest free monthly payment schemes, usually for orders over £300. Alternatively stick £10 a week in a savings account and after 8 months buy the item of your dreams? Why not treat yourself to the best, the item will probably perform better and last much longer than a budget one?
 
B

binka

Guest
I'm a firm believer that quality will always pay you back over the long run but I don't necessarily believe that it has to come with a high price tag.

Some of the best fun I've ever had beside water was when I first used a 5' pen rod and I really rate brands such as NGT for decent quality gear at a sensible price.

In other words yes, whilst I'm probably better known for my liking of a particular high end brand I have no hesitation in buying cheap branded gear where I can see the merit of it.
 

mikench

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 1, 2015
Messages
27,417
Reaction score
17,784
Location
leafy cheshire
Sorry to hear that Peter! I bet you were gutted! Mind you it could happen to anybody particularly as we age! I assume the rod was lost?
 
Top