reccomend me a floating fluorocarbon line

paul blackbourn · Aug 15, 2009

Been shopping around my local shops for one and they all only have sinking types such as ghost and IQ.

Im after a floating one for surface fishing for carp so can anyone reccomend me such a line??
Thanks guys

Stealph Viper · Aug 15, 2009

Try Drennan Double Strength line, it's not fluorocarbon, well i don't think it is, but a lot of Floater Fishing Carp Anglers seem to favour it.

dezza · Aug 15, 2009

A floating flourocarbon line?

Seeing that the specific gravity of PVDF is much heavier than water, there is no such thing as a floating PVDF line. You can make it float by greasing it with something like Mucilin, but it's not actually floating, it is sitting in the surface film.

And by the way if you are floater fishing for carp, the last thing you want is a floating hooklength. It will be seen on the surface of the water by the fish as something resembling a coiled snake. Your hooklength must sink and the best way of achieving that is to degrease your hooklength with a mixture of Fullers Earth, washing up liquid and glycerine. If you can't be bothered to make your own, you can buy "**** Walker's Ledasink" from any shop specialising in fly fishing gear for only a couple of quid. This is a product I would advise all anglers to carry.

paul blackbourn · Aug 15, 2009

okey doke thanks for info folks, i have learned something and saved money!

Rodney Wrestt · Aug 15, 2009

I think Ron's said it all in his post Paul, basically fluorocarbon is heavier than mono it'd be a nice product to develop if they could make a neutral buoyancy or floating product with fluorocarbon's light refractive properties.

tigger · Aug 15, 2009

Ron The Hat Clay said:
but it's not actually floating, it is sitting in the surface film.

Mmm......surley that's still classed as floating, in'it lol ?
Surely anything that doesn't sink is floating ?

geoffmaynard · Aug 15, 2009

I would argue a bit with that Ron. A floating line does help when floater fishing for carp esp when fishing at any distance. But I agree the line nearest the bait should be sunken. About 4 to 6ft of it.
I tried using a flurocarbon hooklength whilst floater fishing once and it's a complete waste of time. It sinks like a brick and drags the bait back within inches of the controller, leaving a big loop of line under the water. It apparently also transmits light so if some fluro is out the water and in the daylight, the part underwater 'glows'!! Or so I was told. Not exactly a good idea to use it as a main line then

Great stuff for a conventional hooklength though but be sure to use old-fashioned blood-knots with it because grinner knots and fluro don't mix. That's when the 'brittle' claims ring true.

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Ooops. But you said "hooklength" not main line. Must pay more attention

dezza · Aug 16, 2009

I did say "the hooklength" Geoff.

Articles float because they have a specific gravity less that water. EG balsa wood floats, a lump of lead sinks.

But remember even lead can be made to float by forming it into a cup or boat shape where most of the volume of the sunken bit is fresh air.

Remember Archimedes Principle.

The effect of surface tension on a material with a hydrophobic (water repellant) surface is a different principle alltogether.

Stealph Viper · Aug 16, 2009

Ron The Hat Clay said:
The effect of surface tension on a material with a hydrophobic (water repellant) surface is a different principle alltogether.

Now come on Ron, you're being unrealistic there.
Who could ever have forgotten that

Graham Marsden · Aug 16, 2009

I use a floating braid main line that can easily be lifted off the water to mend it, and a copolymer hooklength that I allow the last foot or so to sink just below the surface film.

dezza · Aug 16, 2009

Nylon, Copolymer and PVDF are more dense than water, but often they will not sink due to the effect of the surface film, especially in a flat calm. There are several ways to overcome this, the most common being to degrease the hook length by pulling it through a putty like mixture of Fuller's Earth, washing up liquid and glycerine. You can buy this under the brand name of "Ledasink".

Even this stuff is not 100% in it's effect, due I think to minute quantities of oil that is realeased by certain insects when they eclode (hatch). Such oil release causes a phenominom called a "wind lane". To beat this and get your line to sink, get a smidgin, and I mean a smidgin, of Kryston Heavy Metal and roll it between your forefinger and thumb onto the hooklength about 18 inches away from your hook/fly. This has the effect of causing your hooklength to break through the surface film when it falls.

Try this and see if it does not increase your catches.

dezza · Aug 17, 2009

Fluorocarbon and grinner knots certainly do not mix but the knotless knot is fine, no more than 4 turns with the blood knot.

Oh and I learned Archemedes Principle in school physics at about the age of 14.

dezza · Aug 21, 2009

And I notice that a few of you use the word "mono" when speaking of lines other than fluorocarbon.

Fluorocarbon IS mono most of the time. "Mono" is a short form for monofilament, which is a single strand of extruded matter. Spiders web is a mono for example.

Mr Cholmondeley-Corker (PaSC) · Aug 21, 2009

But fluorocarbon lines such as Incognito are produced by fusing together multiple strands (filaments) of the material - it is not extruded as a single strand like a MONOFILAMENT LINE.

Lee Swords · Aug 21, 2009

It saves confusion as well

Mono's
Flouro's
Copolymer's
Hi-Tecs
Braid's

Plenty of over lap but a name that seperates

dezza · Aug 21, 2009

Unless I am misinformed, Incognito is extruded. It certainly is a monofilament.

Dave?

Mr Cholmondeley-Corker (PaSC) · Aug 21, 2009

It's a number of filaments bonded to gether AND THEN EXTRUDED as I understand it.

Now you're getting picky Ron

Oh, and BTW - Incognito will not be launched in BS less than 5lb. So once your sample has gone, it's gone.

dezza · Aug 21, 2009

Having just discussed the matter with Dave Chilton, certainly Incognito appears to be a monofilament. As to how this monofilament is constructed, well that is a proprietry secret.

Cant't say much else.

Lee Swords · Aug 21, 2009

But still I would class it as a "flouro" to save confusion

:O)

Mr Cholmondeley-Corker (PaSC) · Aug 21, 2009

Perhaps we should drop the 'fluoro' tag and call it something else instead.

How about 'Slightly stiffer, denser and less visible MONO'????

Or as the less effective brands don't comne into it...lets just call it KRYSTON INCONITO....it's not just for carp you know.

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