Sunfish (Centrarchidae)

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The Monk

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regualr readers will be aware of my unnatural interest in odd specie, I have been trying to obtain information about Black Bass stockings and came across other Sunfish UK stockings which I find interesting. Apparently Pumpkinseed (Lepomis gibbosus), Common Sunfish, Sun Bass, Yellow Sunfish; have been found in the British Isles, the British Rod Caught Record being 74.4 grammes caught from Highgate Pond, London in 1977!

Does this stocking still exist and does anyone know the existance of any-other populations surviving in Britain?
 
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The Monk

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Also does anyone have a copy of the Collins New Naturalist, Number 75, Freshwater Fishes by Maitland and Cambell, page 272 is missing from my copy and contains information on Black Bass stockings in the UK?
 
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Paul Williams

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Monk,
A few of us on FM have over the last 3 or so years fished Sway lakes in Hampshire (theres a couple of articles) the big roach are the main target but we have caught plenty of what we think are Pumpkinseeds.....they are usually small, but this year i caught one that was noticably bigger than other years (but only one, other years i have caught a few)......i would p myself laughing if i ever caught a record fish and it was wieghed in grammes........trouble is i can't comprehend what a 74.4 gramme fish looks like......my latest P.seed may have made 2oz!!!!!!!!!!!!! great white hunter or what?
 
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andrew jackson

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74.4 gramme is roughly just under 3oz so your pumpkin was without a doubt a specimen. Sounds like a british record could be on the cards. :eek:)
 
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John Pleasance

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I've seen a pumkinseed caught at a lake near me,not far from Sway lakes.

I also remember a strange fish being caught from Highgate ponds many years ago(used to live near there at the time)but thought it was considerably bigger than three ounces.
 
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Paul Williams

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I'll be doing recce's on all the Hant's waters......i will pioneer (as long as my mates show me where!) fishing for a record Pseed.....four rods, spaced at 50yds...wonder if the monthlies will pay for the story?
 
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Warren 'Hatrick' (Wol) Gaunt

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Paul,

?500 will get you in the Pumpkinseed Study Group.

I also got a copy of 'My way with the Seed' if you wanna borrow it!
 
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The Monk

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Hey thanks for the info guys, Paul, you may well have caught a record Pumpkinseed, you really need to get the fingers going and write a book. Confessions of a Pumpkinnseed Hunter" "Quest for Pumpkinseed"
"The Pumpkinseed strikes Back" I suppose the choice is limitless really?

I find it fasinating some of these rarer stockings, I can remember doing some research on Bitterling in the 70'S, they had a limited distrobution at the time, the Northwest and parts of East Angler, now you get them all over the place!

maybe FM could design a specialist Pumpkinseed rod? any ideas Ron?
 
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Paul Williams

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Warren,
Cheques in the post!......i never knew catching a potential record would open up so many doors!
Monk,
I'll start writing, the title will come.....how doe's this sound to kick off,
"One day in a land far away a lonesome pioneer"
hard work this book writing!!! thats enough for today!
 
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The Monk

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C'mon then Terry, let have the bit about Black Bass Stockings for Ruffe Slappers ha ha?
 
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Paul Williams

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Phew....one of the Sway articles!...you had me worried there Rik!
 
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Kevan Farmer

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What about American gudgeon then Monk? My club have them in one of our waters. But......catch one and it has to die. EA ruling. Because it is a foriegn species. So why is there no similar ruling for pumpkinseed et al?

I like diversity but I do understand that foriegn species can cause problems for native ones.

Kevan
 
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The Monk

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Yes you are quite right kevan, the stockings which I am talking about, Black Bass, Pumpkinseed and species like Bitterling many were stocked in the 40's 50' and 60's prior to any legislation becoming available and most authorities at the time were allegedly ignorant to the problems we have seen in more recent years,science has come along way since then, the Romans introduced carp for food, and probably created problems for native species at the time?

I'm very interested about your American Gudgeon though kevan and didnt realise these and been stocked in the UK, when did this occur?
 
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The Monk

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Thanks for the information and the Sway article Rik, well done Paul, what a lovely little fish, Its a pity you didnt take a close up of it, I'm jealous mate(seriously)!
 
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Paul Williams

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Sway is a great fun day out but next time i'm targeting those Pseeds....."Brummie Williams, Pumpkinseed record holder"......that'll do for me Tommy!.....i just hope the circus don't home in!!!
 
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The Monk

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Hey seriously Paul, thats great mate, I went tracking bitterling down many years ago, I just had to catch one and I did eventually over in St Helens, it was actually a young Neville Fickling who put me onto them. I've also caught 3 catfish species in some of my local waters, although I suspect these were tank released?

As a child I knew a local water which only contained golden tench and the first carp I knew were koi which was stocked in the cotton mill lodges and local canals. I'm fasinated by species which adapt and survive in alien environments, we did have ring necked wallaby's living in two different locations in the UK and they survived for many years apparently without mans interfererence?

Are you having tee shirts made paul, my hero!
 
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Paul Williams

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I've just had a phone call from a guy who has 22 sacks of warmish foriegn species sacked up on a French stillwater, he reckons there are Pseeds of mahoosive dimensions involved and he said there would be no trouble in getting them back (as long as the gardene..gardiene...frog fuzz don't notice his tax is up on the trannie).....i don't know what to do......do i go for them or do i keep it British(ish)
Seriously though Monk the wierdest site on Sway (apart from Coops emerging from a night in Riks bivvy!)was watching a couple of large terrapins sunbathing on a log......you may cause us to rewrite our plans for next summer now!
 
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The Monk

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Terrapins are quite common in a lot of British waters now, I have a lodge within five minutes of my humble abode which contains some whackers, vicious bloody things, probably introduced from bored pet owners, they do survive very well in this country though. The St Helens canal had for many years all sorts of strange things, Chilids being the most prevelent, me old mate Ronnie Pendleton use to catch them frequently, he wrote about them in the old NASG mag Freeline, , there was also a few South American albino Catfish swimming about in there, I can remember reading about a match angler who caught one in a match, he unhooked it, put it on the bank at the side of him and the bloody thing sprouted legs and ran between his legs and hopped off down the canal bank, he chased after it, not wishing to lose an extra few grammes in the contest, and the dam thing did about 300 yards and dived back in the canal, thats apparently a true story? I've actually got three different species of sturgeon in one of my garden ponds, amazing fish, and I know for a fact at least one water in Britain which contains some. I've fish out in france but never caught one although a few of the lads have had them. The last one I have on record was caught in the Rriver Don late 1700's, its set up in Doncaster's Natural History Museum, its incredible when you think these things used to be present in British waters!

A bit sad though when you consider some scientists are trying to re-introduce wild boar and the European wolf back into an environment which no longer exists!
 
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The Monk

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A new name for you Paul "Pumpkinseed Angler"

well its more original than "Carp Angler"?
 
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