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The Utilitarianistic Bastions of Rigology
Beyond the Pharyngeal
Bite Offs!
What are they?
Possibly a quest for the modern rigology masters and analysists,
Rik are you out there?
Or possibly some of the fossils could back me up; Graham?
About ten years ago I wrote a series of technical articles for one of the monthly rags, one of these pieces was based on Bite Offs in Carp Fishing and the reasons for their occurrence. You may ask why have I posted this topic in the General Section, well this is because it has relevance to other cyprinidae (fish with throat teeth) as well as carp, although it has been discussed in carp fishing circles, probably much more than others. My article was based on a discussion I was having in another of the monthly rags with a young lad called Matt Haze who had suggested that while Chub fishing he had experience bite offs while using particles and monofilament. Matt’s suggestion to over come this was to change over to braid. My suggestion was the shorten the hook length and thus avoid the hook going beyond the pharyngeal all together, because of the possible dangers of deep hooking and I gave examples of the problems we had experienced while carp fishing in the 1970’s. Matt came back to my comments with a discussion about not wanting to use a carp fishing method with heavy bolt rigs cast amidst feeding and sensitive chub, unfortunately my reply was not published. Matt was a new kid on the block at the time and knowing I was a carp angler, wrongly assumed I was using bolt rig technology in the 1970’s, which of course we did not, simply because this methodology was not available at the time. So I based my feature on the problems that occurred with this type of suggested take, the” Bite Off”. The problem with the monthly’s is of course you don’t often get feedback and in this instance I didn’t!
Turning the clock back, much was written in the 1970’s about Bite Offs while carp fishing, this is something we experience while using mass and particle baits (hemp, corn, tares etc) when they became the” In bait”, for carp fishing, in this period. Our answer to the problem was to shorten the hook length, and the change did have some measure of sucess, but I now question, possibly not for the reasons we first though? As new methods came in, in the 1980’s, with the arrival of braids, bolt rigs and hairs, the problem appeared to go into decline. Because of this, and due to the fact that I’ve only ever caught two deep hooked carp, I question that what we considered to be Bite Offs, were they really the result of the hook going beyond the pharyngeal teeth of was it the result of something completely different? Now, I know many new writers often base their work on read knowledge other that that of their own personal experience experience (nothing wrong with this of course, I’ve done it myself), and by doing so, sometimes interpret falsely the information which the original writer was trying to convey, I’m not suggesting that this was the case with Matt, but I have read the works of others who, I would suggest this was the case.
My questions are; do chub anglers and others still experience this problem when using monofilament type lines? And how many fish get caught hooked beyond the pharyngeals, in this modern epoch, while using braid.
Beyond the Pharyngeal
Bite Offs!
What are they?
Possibly a quest for the modern rigology masters and analysists,
Rik are you out there?
Or possibly some of the fossils could back me up; Graham?
About ten years ago I wrote a series of technical articles for one of the monthly rags, one of these pieces was based on Bite Offs in Carp Fishing and the reasons for their occurrence. You may ask why have I posted this topic in the General Section, well this is because it has relevance to other cyprinidae (fish with throat teeth) as well as carp, although it has been discussed in carp fishing circles, probably much more than others. My article was based on a discussion I was having in another of the monthly rags with a young lad called Matt Haze who had suggested that while Chub fishing he had experience bite offs while using particles and monofilament. Matt’s suggestion to over come this was to change over to braid. My suggestion was the shorten the hook length and thus avoid the hook going beyond the pharyngeal all together, because of the possible dangers of deep hooking and I gave examples of the problems we had experienced while carp fishing in the 1970’s. Matt came back to my comments with a discussion about not wanting to use a carp fishing method with heavy bolt rigs cast amidst feeding and sensitive chub, unfortunately my reply was not published. Matt was a new kid on the block at the time and knowing I was a carp angler, wrongly assumed I was using bolt rig technology in the 1970’s, which of course we did not, simply because this methodology was not available at the time. So I based my feature on the problems that occurred with this type of suggested take, the” Bite Off”. The problem with the monthly’s is of course you don’t often get feedback and in this instance I didn’t!
Turning the clock back, much was written in the 1970’s about Bite Offs while carp fishing, this is something we experience while using mass and particle baits (hemp, corn, tares etc) when they became the” In bait”, for carp fishing, in this period. Our answer to the problem was to shorten the hook length, and the change did have some measure of sucess, but I now question, possibly not for the reasons we first though? As new methods came in, in the 1980’s, with the arrival of braids, bolt rigs and hairs, the problem appeared to go into decline. Because of this, and due to the fact that I’ve only ever caught two deep hooked carp, I question that what we considered to be Bite Offs, were they really the result of the hook going beyond the pharyngeal teeth of was it the result of something completely different? Now, I know many new writers often base their work on read knowledge other that that of their own personal experience experience (nothing wrong with this of course, I’ve done it myself), and by doing so, sometimes interpret falsely the information which the original writer was trying to convey, I’m not suggesting that this was the case with Matt, but I have read the works of others who, I would suggest this was the case.
My questions are; do chub anglers and others still experience this problem when using monofilament type lines? And how many fish get caught hooked beyond the pharyngeals, in this modern epoch, while using braid.
