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Bob Hornegold
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Should Carp Sacks be banned nationally, after a recent carp death, when the sack was not secured properly.
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Dave Rothery
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not the fault of the sack - it's the anglers fault for not using it properly. same thing can be said for leadcore, heavy lines, braid, multi rod set ups etc,etc,etc (and i use all of the above). You've always got to ask yourself "do I need to sack the fish"
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Warren 'Hatrick' (Wol) Gaunt
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No.
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ian jay
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I don't see the point of not returning a fish to the water unless, you are match fishing, or you are going to kill it!
Particulary a large fish, who has has fought it's gills out .....
No doubt, I will be enlightened to why this barbaric practice is allowed?
Particulary a large fish, who has has fought it's gills out .....
No doubt, I will be enlightened to why this barbaric practice is allowed?
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Warren 'Hatrick' (Wol) Gaunt
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Not just Carp, but in 'some' circumstances i find that retaining a fish can do more good than harm. I've retained fish, not for a photo, but to allow it to recover. I do this a lot with Zander. I dont own a carp sack but have several retention systems which are pegged out both ends, sacking material to the sides and larger mesh at both ends to allow flow of water. A full length zip at the top allows me to check on the fish at any time without the need of dragging it out every hour or so to see if its ok. Never had a problem with them, superb bits of kit. And as far as i know the guys i fish with that use them, and some well respected anglers some of them are, haven't had a problem either.
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Dave Rothery
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ok. Fish has fought for half an hour, you've knackered it out, you take it out of the water for 5-8 minutes whilst you weigh/photo it and put it back in the water. Would you do that with a barbel? think not. you let it rest first (preferably in the landing net, but thats not always possible). Fish also feel safer in a sack where its dark. Im not talking about sacking fish for a couple of hours just to get a daylight shot(buy a better camera!)just long enough to get camera/mat etc ready. Leave it in the net? what if you get another take?
Barbaric practice ian? some could say that about fishing for them in the first place.
Its not the use, its the mis-use.
Barbaric practice ian? some could say that about fishing for them in the first place.
Its not the use, its the mis-use.
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Dave Rothery
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Hang on warren, you just said "no" when i said "do i need to sack the fish"! I take your point with tunnels in flowing water, but dont think it has any advantage over a decent sack in stillwater
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Warren 'Hatrick' (Wol) Gaunt
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Dave, i was replying to the thread title.
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Dave Rothery
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Sorry mate, i'll let you off then! (many apologies)
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Warren 'Hatrick' (Wol) Gaunt
Guest
I use them on stillwaters, mainly for bream. I prefer them, due to the fact that they dont smother the fish, the fish can swim freely, and they can be inspected with ease. I'm also not talking about tubes, i use the original Queenford Retention systems, designed by my mate Phil Smith back in the early 90s. There very large compared to modern tubes.
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ian jay
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Dave
Yes, you are correct - it is the user who is barbaric, not the sack. I have caught many Barbel, and, when required, supported them in the river by my hands until they recover. Sometimes it takes 10+ minutes of 'pampering' to get the fish alert and fit, and this is not always with the bigger fish either.
I suppose if you are lazy, then chucking them in the sack will have to do.
Yes, you are correct - it is the user who is barbaric, not the sack. I have caught many Barbel, and, when required, supported them in the river by my hands until they recover. Sometimes it takes 10+ minutes of 'pampering' to get the fish alert and fit, and this is not always with the bigger fish either.
I suppose if you are lazy, then chucking them in the sack will have to do.
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ian jay
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Of course, there may be rare circumstances when a sack would be useful. Rather than argue the value of the sack, can we discuss, in detail, when these rare events may happen?
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Warren 'Hatrick' (Wol) Gaunt
Guest
Aint a case of being lazy. I been up to me waist in freezing cold water on the Relief Channel at Downham for a damn site longer than 10 minutes, more like 30-45 minutes, holding them upright. There comes a time when they then go in the retention system cause i cant feel me legs, and thats wiv waders on!
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ian jay
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Fair enough, Warren,
I am reminded of the times I have seen fish gasping in collapsed keep nets, because the angler is too lazy to check or correct the state of his net.
Can you assure me that everyone who uses a sack is as diligent and vigilant as you?
I doubt it!
PS I am not knocking the anglers who care, only the others.
I am reminded of the times I have seen fish gasping in collapsed keep nets, because the angler is too lazy to check or correct the state of his net.
Can you assure me that everyone who uses a sack is as diligent and vigilant as you?
I doubt it!
PS I am not knocking the anglers who care, only the others.
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Dave Rothery
Guest
How many people do you see without unhooking mats? all specimen anglers should carry them whether its bream/tench/pike/zander and even carp! same goes for klinik type treatments (should get roto going!)
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Bob Hornegold
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For many years I have fished for River Carp, which could all most be a different species.
They fight to a stand still and ofen require long recovery times.
I should say now that I dont use sacks on still waters, prefering to take a quick photo and return the fish imediately.
But on river it's completely different, having caught a carp, I keep it in the Landing net and make sure it's okay.
Then I place it in a Sack, checking the fish at intervals, making sure it's upright and facing into the river flow.
Modern weigh slings/carp sacks are good as they can be staked at both ends.
This way I'm sure when the carp is released it swims away safely.
My reason for doing this are simple, River carp fight hard, after a resting period in the landing net they may seem ready to be released.
Once released into the river they swim of appearing to be in good condition and turn belly up.
What can you do? the answer is very little, okay in the summer you may be able to recover the carp and nurse it back to good health.
But in the winter, with the river running high you dont get that option.
Many of the carp i catch are never photographed, and I only retain the fish on the grounds of safety.
It's certaintly not the sacks that are at fault, it's bad angling practice.
Bob
They fight to a stand still and ofen require long recovery times.
I should say now that I dont use sacks on still waters, prefering to take a quick photo and return the fish imediately.
But on river it's completely different, having caught a carp, I keep it in the Landing net and make sure it's okay.
Then I place it in a Sack, checking the fish at intervals, making sure it's upright and facing into the river flow.
Modern weigh slings/carp sacks are good as they can be staked at both ends.
This way I'm sure when the carp is released it swims away safely.
My reason for doing this are simple, River carp fight hard, after a resting period in the landing net they may seem ready to be released.
Once released into the river they swim of appearing to be in good condition and turn belly up.
What can you do? the answer is very little, okay in the summer you may be able to recover the carp and nurse it back to good health.
But in the winter, with the river running high you dont get that option.
Many of the carp i catch are never photographed, and I only retain the fish on the grounds of safety.
It's certaintly not the sacks that are at fault, it's bad angling practice.
Bob
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If only specialist anglers could rid themselves of the blinkers when it comes to keepnets they would see that a keepnet, used correctly, is the best answer to retaining all fish (individual specimens) for a short period whilst they recover.
The key words are 'used correctly'. Please consider those words before peering out from behind the blinkers and telling me how bad keepnets are.
The key words are 'used correctly'. Please consider those words before peering out from behind the blinkers and telling me how bad keepnets are.
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Dave Rothery
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I agree Graham, keepnets have much better water(therefore oxygen)flow - just never seen one wide enough for 20's and 30's - i think fish are more likely to move around in a keepnet, whereas fish in a sack might feel like they're in a weed bed with the sack closing around them, and the mesh being denser (and darker) - so less likely to move. but thats all based on guess work!
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Warren 'Hatrick' (Wol) Gaunt
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Fair comment there Graham. And i have used keepnets. BUT, for retaining fish to recover i personally find the retentions systems far better. Two reasons, firstly you can check on the fish at intervals without the need of dragging it in and secondly, if the fish does go belly up or is looking wonkey you can just pull back the full length zip and hold it upright in the retainer thus no need to pull in a keepnet. Not knocking keepnets in anyway (no blinkers here) just my preference.
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Dave Rothery
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Never seen a keepnet with a carp logo on either!