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Dave Matthews

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Having taken up Carp fishing after a 20 year gap, I have had a relatively successful couple of seasons, some of my original budget kit is now in need of replacement [I have 2 Diawa Vulcan X's, 2.5 test] I have recently purchased 2 Shimano GTE's, but am at a loss as to which rods to go for, has anyone got any recommendations at around the ?100 mark. The bulk of my fishing is done on smallish lakes up to about 3 acres.

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Dave
 
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Tom Sexton

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I,m new to carping myself so I haven't had a lot of experience with various rods. However, I was advised to buy Fox Rangemaster 2 rods. Good value for money and I have been very pleased with them. Some magazine reviews rate them highly also.
 
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Carl Harding

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Dave I only stared Carp fishing In sept last year mate but i have Brought 2 x shimano solstace 2.5 test curve rods and they are fantastic, there may be better on the market but mine have a great action I know Anglian direct In Norwich do them mail order arround 100 pounds? may have gone down though give them a look bud
 
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Sascha Welsch

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Dave,
I'm not a serious carper by any means but I would say that we might need a bit more info about your fishing before steering you in the right direction. For example I would consider the following before making my purchase:
What size fish am I going to catch? (hopefully!), what strength and type of line will I use?, how far do I need to cast and with what size lead?, is the water weed and snag free or clear? etc

Obviously you will fish different waters requiring different techniques so a compromise situation is usually the best option. I personally started with 12ft 2.5lbTest Curve Daiwa Powermesh rods which are still fine for a vast amount of the carp fishing I do but then I do still use an old Shimano 11ft 2lb TC rod for stalking/floatfishing a hell of a lot purely because I love this type of fishing and the rod is a delight to use.

At the end of the day, if the rod can satisfy your requirements (as per the earlier questions) and you enjoy useing it then what more could you get? Spending more money wouldn't help at all unless your fishing situation changed or you required specialised techniques such as extreme range fishing.
 
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Dave Matthews

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Ok, a bit more info, the club I belong to has several lakes around the 2-3 acre mark so i'm not trying to cast to the horizon, I tend to use 1.5 - 2oz leads, with 15lb mono tied to a braided 12lb hooklink, I use small funnel web pva bags on occaision and the carp will be in the 10 - 15lb range in the main with the posibility of a 20. PB currently is a 14.5lb common.
 
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Sascha Welsch

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Ok, so unless there's shed loads of snags and you need to haul fish out I would have thought a more through actioned 12ft 2.25 - 2.5lb TC rod would be spot on. This is certainly capable of chucking the weights and distances you require with a bit in reserve should you want to try small method feeders etc but give you plenty of feel playing fish.
I wouldn't go for any of the fast-actioned 'tippy' rods that seem to be the in-thing at the moment as your fishing doesn't really require them.
Try various rods out for balance in your local tackle shop but remember to add your reel (inc line) first as this obviously makes a hell of a difference.
I know I'm biased here as I've got a couple of the old ones but the Daiwa Powermesh Z sounds just about right.They should be available for around the ?100 mark with a bit of shopping around.
 
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Sascha Welsch

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Just checked on the web Dave, they're available from various retailers at about ?104 each.

Just a thought, what's wrong with the old Vulcans? Could be just the rod you're looking for!
 
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Carl Harding

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Why and where should I use back leads?
and does it really matter how big the hair is?
 
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Mick Fleet

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Hi Carl
Basicaly back leads are used to pin the line from your rod tip down to the back lead so that your main line is hard on the bottom, the idea being that shy fish will not brush your main line and spook.
Its absolutely pontless using them unless your chosen venue is snag free, because unless it is you wont pin your main line to the bottom anyway!
As for hair lengths, it realy depends on what the carp in your venues are prepared to accept.
If your doing ok on the length of hair your using now then you dont need to fix wot aint broke if you know what i mean!
Hope this helped.
Mick.
 
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Mick Fleet

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Opps sorry bout that the back lead question should have read:
Back leads pin your main line to the bottom between the back lead itself to your rig, so effectively you could have your main line pinned to the bottom from your rod tip right up to your rig.
There.......hope that cleared up the confusion!
 
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Dave Rothery

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I think sascha said it.....why change your rods? they wont catch you any more fish. your better off putting the money towards things like bait - it'll catch you more in the long run than a rod. and a DECENT unhooking mat, so you can care for them when you do. its the last 3ft that make the difference. have you got an efficient (not overly complicated!) rig and a bait the fish want to eat. thats all that matters....
 
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Dave Rothery

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Heard good things about nash hooliguns - the 12ft 2 1/4 at ?80 seems pretty good, and has enough oomph for the waters your fishing. i think i read somewhere that jim shelley uses them, so you'll be in good company!
 
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Dave Rothery

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carl - pinning down the last 10 ft is probably more important than anything else. its already been said to not use backleads in snaggy/weedy water as they can cause more problems than they solve.

if you are using short hairs and getting runs where you hit thin air - lengthen the hair. they used to be up to 4" long (and sometimes still are ;) ). if that doesn't work - shorten them again!. if your catching - leave it alone
 
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Carl Harding

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Please excuse my ignorance Dave but when you say the last 10ft do you mean from the rod end? I should imajine you do, in which case do you tighten up as usal then just clip the lead on? and does this just help presentation or is their a meaning?

Thanks for your reply by the way
 
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Dave Rothery

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i mean the last 10ft ie, from the baited hook back. the fish doesn't see the rest of it (broadly speaking) so it doesn't matter. the carp doesn't care what rods youve got, and how old your buzzers are. all the effort goes into the bit at the end of the line, by the bait.
 
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Dave Rothery

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sorry carl - just so you know, i almost never use backleads any more
 
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Stuart Dennis

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Carl, the only downside to backleads are the angles you're gonna notch up from your buzzers/indicators through to your hook, hence a serious ‘lack of sensitivity’ issue. Whilst using backleads (although sometimes you’ve got to) you may get pick-ups that aren’t registering, this could be down to the fish picking up the bait, moving it around a foot or so and you not being any the wiser due to having far to many angles between your hook and your indicators hence no bite registering. I would try to steer clear of backleads as much as possible. Far to many anglers use them at every occasion.
 
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Stuart Dennis

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Carl, I've just read back and saw another of your questions about 'does it matter how long the hair is'? The answer is definitely yes: if your using bottom baits on a line aligner or knotless knott then you want at least 1cm from the bend in the hook to the bait, this will allow the rig to turn on ejection and hook the muva!
 
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Phil Shelton

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I am fishing a private lake thatis quite shallow and narrow. There are carp in there to about 20lb. They are very fond of luncheon meat which I am putting on to a hair rig with a size 12 hook.I am using plastic bait stops or a piece of grass stalk to hold the meat. More often than not I am being hit within 10 minutes of the bait going in - but - my hooking rate is very low as no sooner does the rod tip twitch my bait is gone.Can anyone suggest another or better way of presenting luncheon meat.
 
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