How low can PETA and other 'anti 'groups stoopstoop

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ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)

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I'm in the States at the moment and I read this in one of their local newspapers .......

In an open letter to the Vegan Voice, Karen Davis, president of United Poultry Concerns, compares the poultry industry to the September 11 tragedy. "I think it is speciesist to think that the September 11 attack on the World Trade Center was a greater tragedy than what millions of chickens endured that day, and what they endure every day because they cannot defend themselves against the concerted human appetites arrayed against them."
........Just shows its not only PETA we have to worry about
 
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Ron Clay

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Unfortunately Eddie the world is full of nut cases.

Let's assume that these sort of people eventuall get their way and the world is banned from eating animals. They will then turn to plants won't they. You will not be allowed to eat ANYTHING organic. Salads friut and vegetables will not be allowed. People will only be allowed to consume what science can prove is non-organic matter.

Think about that one. Walking on grass, which causes agony to the grasses will also be stopped. No more cricket, rugby, football, baseball - or anything.

Predators such as lions, pike, etc etc will be killed off because they devour other living things. It will be full rights for ants, beetles, flies and maggots and black widow spiders. Anyone found swotting a fly will be charged with murder.

Like racism amongst humans, specieism amogst all living things will be eliminated.

The planet will become sterile.

Need I go further?
 
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Tim Birch

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These groups are just a daft industry conning money from gullible students and the like.
Somebody is coining it somewhere even if its from the media for outlandish press reports.
You'd think they'd have more sense and use any weight they have against real problems like paedophiles, crimes against the old and infirm, capitalist con artists like some of the more dubious credit cards , loan services, illegal immigrants and immigration problems, Corporation Fat cats, un-necessary council tax rises, illegal wars, speed cameras, the British legal system, terrorist attacks. I havent even left this country yet. Please feel free to add anymore I've left out, in fact I think I'll mercilessly stamp on every bug I see until all this stuff is sorted out!
 
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What's all that crap you have on your face Tim?

Seriously there are a significant number of so-called celebrities that are behind this. Worst of all is McCartney and his cohorts.

McCartney has been guilty of some of the worst crimes against humanity ever perpetrated. DRUGS for example. All the Beatles took drugs and so did a number of other groups, many of which were based in Merseyside strangley enough.

People like McCartney and many others of his ilk made the taking of drugs fashionable in the 60s. What I am saying is quite true.

The next great evil in the world, and here I am going to get myself deeply into trouble, was rock music. Rock music has been directly responsible for the deaths of more intelligent people than aids!!!

I could write a book about the twin evils of rock music and drugs and the disturbing connections with organised crime, the Mafia, the perpetration of apartheid, and the governments of many countries in South America, governments who actually support internally the growing of drugs and the trading thereof.

Throughout the history of mankind, there have existed organised groups of people who have been able to control vast numbers of our population. From certain groups withing so-called religions, to the attraction of show business and the creation of a society that worships false images such as celebrities and fashion.

One day I will write that book, but all I can say to the young people of today is not to be taken in by so-called celebrities.

Most of them are governed by criminal organisations with the most evil agendas that you can imagine.
 
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I can see where you are coming from Ron, but I think rock music is a going a little far.
The drug barons have been around alot longer than Elvis swung his hips and many forms of music have had a drug influence much earlier than the first electric guitar.
I think you'll find that soul, Jazz and blues were dancing through the purple haze before jimi was a twinkle in his daddies eye.
What about the Opium wars, early twentieth century high society, (such as Alaister Crowley and mob).
I once found a web site from the Central Intelligence agency (CIA) which has a dossier on every country in the world, and its main problem with the United Kingdom is that we are the main trafficing route from a majority of Heroin from the Middle East and Cocaine etc. from South America to Europe.
Drugs will always be round, However I believe the main problem is how international governments, including our own, deal with the problem. Strict border controls would help, however addictive Drugs are a captive audience and one hell of a money spinner for all involved. We can't even keep lorry loads of false refugees out, again the question is it it because they can't or wont. Who knows it could be a very dangerous dangerous discussion to get into (seeing as everybodies name and address who uses it is on the net.
Without being rude Ron, Please lets not dilute the origin of this thread by blaming rock music for all the worlds woes, the people in the know like that kind of thing, it diverts attention from real issues.
I think we were talking about animal activists....
 
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Ron Clay

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I do not blame rock music per se. What I do blame is the people who have hijacked rock music, just as they have hijacked the internet with porn.

These people make up the biggest percentage of what are known as the Animal Liberation Front, Peta and other devious organisations.

Living in South Africa which became a watershed of many of the most vile organisations known to man, I became very close to what went on at the time.

As an example, the sanctions breaking which was organised by international criminal syndicates; and the supply of vast quantites of arms to Iraq by the SA Armscor organisation.

I tell you it makes any James Bond movie tame by comparison.

I had now better keep my blinkin' gob shut!!
 
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Stuart Bullard

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"rock music" or what ever you want to call it, was the "drugs barrons" unofficial advertising. After all, they have never taken out any up front marketing. If you look at the majority of drugs groups, they tend to hark back to some "type" of music culture.

And the really big problems with drugs today have eminated in the west after Elvis swung his hips.

Sorry Tim, but to a degee I am with Ron on this one, only that I would go further in his criticism of the blame towards music and drugs.........I have also been there, much to my regret.

.....and yes, I'd rather be fishing.
 
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Dave Rothery

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yeah like rock groups were at all the raves in the early nineties. and queen vic was listening to napalm death whilst smoking pot to ease her "womans problems". and why is it all the jazz greats had to take heroin? what did they do in the opium dens? they werent listening to rock as it wasn't around then. didn't mozart partake as well? but that was just the fashion back then....

.....and yes, i've just been surfing (and we all take drugs as well. ideally just before you paddle out in overhead surf, as you dont need any co-ordination at all!)
 
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Ron Clay

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And finally to try and prove my point. Have you ever sat down and listened to some of the lyrics in some of the RAP music of today, to say nothing of the hidious boom-boom beat that goes with it.

It puts me in mind of the type of incantations performed and said by voodoo priests and other perpetrators of unimaginable evil.

I am not a religious person in terms of orthodox beliefs denominations and dogma, yet I do beleive that evil is a real thing in the world.

The worst of all are the drug barons and vendors of this vile stock in trade.

In recent years such atrocities against humanity have been connected to pop and rock music, vandalism, crime and a total disregard by certain individuals for the sanctity of human freedom.

Even the judicary has been got at!
 
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Dave Rothery

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.....and beethoven was said to be in league with the devil at the time!
if all the atrocities are attributed to rock, what about your beloved hole of depravity, south africa? rocks not exactly big with the tribes is it? and drugs have been a big part of the culture for thousands of years.
 
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Dave Rothery

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...and its a widely held view that the reason that angels can dance on the head of a pin is that heavens got all the best choreographers. but thats only 'cause the devils got the composers! (plagaristic thanks to terry pratchett!)
 
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Ron Clay

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It depends what you classify as drugs Dave.

There are the truly bad main line drugs such as coke and heroin which kill people.

Then you take things such as cannibis. Black African tribes have been smoking cannibis for hundreds of years as have the Arabs and native Americans.

Just as western man has been smoking tobacco, which by the way is a far more dangerous and habit forming drug than cannibis.

The consumption of alcholic beverages again goes back over 5000 years. The ancient Egyptians and Hebrews brewed beer and cultured wine. Tea and coffee drinking again is taking drugs in another form.

However mailine drugs are different, they are the ultimate evil.

Those unfortunate to be hooked on them will rob, mug and even kill to get another fix. Drug dealers in the hard stuff should be hunted down and destroyed, before they have the chance to destroy others.

It is the action of the do-gooders that prevents this happening if you ask me.
 
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Dave Slater

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McCartney goes one better than RAP music, call it CRAP music.
 
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Dave Rothery

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funny how we dont think of alchohol and tobacco as drugs isnt it? is that just because its socially acceptable?
the yanks should be given a free hand in colombia, but maybe they dont really want it?
 
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Ron Clay

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You have a point there Fred. I have my opinions on organised religion, but I will not air them here for fear of offending people.

That does not mean to say I am an atheist, or an agnostic.

Anyway, let's talk about fishing....
 
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Dave Rothery

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"but I will not air them here for fear of offending people."
are you going soft?
 
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ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)

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"......but I will not air them here for fear of offending people."


Wow Ron ----Is this a first ????????
 
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