Running an angling club as a business

GrahamM

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Okay, you've read what Jeff has had to say, so let's have your comments and questions about this issue.

Oh, and what colour is a polar bear's skin?

No, don't ask me what the relevance is to angling clubs, but no doubt Jeff will be telling us before too long.
 
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Phil Hackett

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Oh, and what colour is a polar bear's skin?

Tut! tut! Graham! It's black! Insulation you see :)
 

rick mullins

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Great article! I am looking into doing a fishing club myself, here in Canada.
Thanks for the insight!
 
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Dave Slater

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If the waters are good people will pay, despite whinging. Some people will pay more for big fish watrs. Others, myself included, will pay a bit extra for nice, quiet waters. I don't follow the golf argument. Most anglers spend far more on tackle than a set of golf clubs cost so why not be prepared to pay a reasonable amount for permits. Clubs are good value when compared to the price of day tickets, around ?7 in the area I live in against around ?100 (average) club permit. If you go more than 12 times the club permit is cheaper and gives a choice of excellent waters. The amounts vary in other areas but the cost ratio of club versus day tickets is even better in most of them.
 
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Ron Clay

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I go along with Dave.

Fishing today in Engand is far too cheap. Compared with golf we are about on a level, although the equipment costs far more than golf, and other than balls, you need to be replacing it.

I would willing pay up to ?1000 a year for a stretch on the Trent that held good barbel, chub and roach and where I could park my car in safety, fish at night without being hassled, and have a decent hostelry in close proximay where I could spend the odd night in nice company.

This is the sort of club I would want to join in retirement.

And no women allowed of course..:eek:)

I spent a night with a guy last year and at 2.00pm in the morning the nagging sound of his b....y missus came on the cellphone,wanting to know when he was coming home.
 

Kiwi Carper

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Dont know what colour their skin is but they are all left handed!!!!!
 
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Mark Birchall

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An intresting read, As mention by other members already i think certain clubs offer river / lake fishing at various prices but rules and regulations don't always assist in increasing the club size and thus there income.
I understand rules and regulations need to be in place but im still bemused at most clubs not allowing night fishing just dawn to dusk. The more the club offers then to a degree they will appeal to a wider audience of anglers. I know that saftey by the river/lakeside is paramount but maybe if there was some disclaimer about personal saftey being down to the individual angler whilst at the venue after dusk etc it may draw more revenue into the club albeit small but lets be honest any little helps. I would love to own a small fishery which would contain as many aminaties as possible to all and include night fishing a Cafe, Tackle shop and a place to hide out should the weather turn for the worst as well as fresh running water and toilets. All these would be constructed of porta cabins. I have seen this idea in place at a few fisheries byt yet they dont allow night fishing. Can't work it out to be honest. Surley You have to maximize your bussiness/club as mush as possible, Don't you...........
 
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ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)

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A lot of clubs lease their waters from farmers and land owners and it is these that stipulate that there is to be no night fishing not the clubs..........
 
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stephen cotton

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And what farmer wouldn't allow night fishing for a few more ?s? No night fishing is one of my major reasons not joining some clubs. The fact is clubs dominated by match anglers rarely allow night fising, live baiting etc..
 
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Ron Clay

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And now we see stretches of the Trent, that were predominantly controlled by match angling clubs being taken over by specialist angling clubs. For example certain stretches of the Trent, Severn, Teme and Kennet.

Night fishing is now being allowed with some very strict rules.

Do you think it's a good or a bad thing?
 
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Mark Birchall

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I think if the rules and regulations don't make the sport impossible then its great news. More money for the club, the owner of the land and the anglers are all catered for. Everyone's a winner!!!
 

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Excellent points raised. I have recently taken up the sport, having been out of it since I was very young.
However, I have been stunned by the lack of response to my membership applications in the South East.
If these organisations ignore their members in anything like the way they ignored me then they are dead, maybe have not fallen down yet, but dead. In business you must focus on the customer and as the article makes clear these are businesses. If your membership is full, say so, if there's a waiting list, say so. Don't ignore the customer be they beginner or champion.
 
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Wolfman Woody

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Stick to the main points, guys. Do you think clubs should be run as efficiently as businesses? We can talk about 'overbearing' rules later, but in general the fewer there are the better. As for costs, we'll see how that works out in later features - IF you want to see them. If you think this is a load of old rubbish, just say so and we'll be done with it.

Just as an example, I was up near Manchester this last weekend and visited a small lake that was dug out in the sixties to act as a silt trap for the lower lake. We put some fish into it (probably illegally) from the lower lake to give it a kick-start and it seems others have done similar since then. I also added some flag and lily around the margins in the early 70s and the flag has done well.

However, no-one controls the water except the Council, and fishing is free. It is a mess. The silt has built up far too much now in many areas and the rest is filled with kids prams and bikes with crisp wrappers and fast food cartons festooning the banks. Basically free fishing is bad for our sport and that's not just my belief, a vast amount of EA fisheries officers think that too. All that it would take is a little hard work and some silt removing and that lake would be an absolute cracker, the fish are certainly there, not big, but enough of them to make it interesting.

And it is BLACK, but I'll tell you it's relevance in the next article.
 

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Jeff,

I would be most interested in seeing the remaining parts of this feature.

I stated myself on a previous thread that the way of the future (for the bigger clubs) is just that - run the club like a business, complete with proper budgets, investment plan, growth plans etc.

That said, I am not sure that there is still not a place for the smaller clubs to continue to run on the "traditional" basis.
Not every potential member wants to be a part of a large club, some people prefer the smaller, (usually friendlier) groups.
 
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Dave Slater

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Peter,
Personally I hope clubs are not run more like businesses in the future. I really hate clubs like CAC. Sure I am a memeber as they have a couple of waters I like fishing. Some of their waters were much better before they had them. Before they had them they did not have a high profile. If everything was run like one huge CAC I am not sure I would want to fish.
 

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Dave,
I am only alluding to the financial and long term planning apsects of running a club rather than the advertising etc.

I have only been a member of CAC for the last 3 or 4 years so I don't really know to much about their previous history or how well the club was run.
However, from my (albeit limited) experiences in dealing with the officers of the CAC I have always received excellent, courteous and swift responses.

I think that the real point is more growth related than it is survival related.

I am not for one moment advocating that angling clubs should become huge CAC-like entities, but rather that there exists the necessity for both large and small clubs alike.
 
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Dave Slater

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Peter,
The problems occur when people like CAC get waters which other people had before. The waters suddenly become much more high profile and not pleasant to fish anymore. New, and unneccessary, rules are also introduced. There are always more rules once these people get hold of waters. I much prefer clubs like Wimborne DAS, who do not have too many rules.
 
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Mark Birchall

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If clubs are run as a small on-going business then i thinks its a good thing BUT like some bussiness sometimes greed creeps in and they lose site of there core values, Filling there pockets becomes the main aim sadly.
 
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