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The Monk

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Graham, You are listed in the NASG 1971 Bulletin as being one of the first BCSG members, can you cast your mind back, or can any one else, to the time when the Bulletin changed to Freeline? or does anyone have a copy of the first edition of Freeline, which I could borrow, this is for a series of articles I`ve been asked to write, all materials will be returned. I`m being assited by Eric Hodson, Ron Clay and Brian Crawford at present. As part of a concise history relating to THE EVOLUTIONARY DEVELOPMENT OF
THE SPECIALIST MOVEMENT
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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Monk, You should get my bit on the old NSG in the next day or so.

There are certain things I remember well. There are others that I have forgotten.

Graham, together with Eddie and others were the leading lights in catching the big bream of the Cheshire Meres. Steve Crawshaw can't remember all the names but he tells me he remembers that "Bloody Scouser"

Must have been Eddie.
 
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ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)

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That was me ---- "That Bloody Scouser"

Steve used to fish with a guy called Reg Wignall ...who was a bit on the 'heavy side'
We went to a chinese restaurant one night and the waiter asked him(Reg) if he wanted chips to which Reg replied

"Pigs eat potatoes --I eat pigs ,I'll have one of them "
 
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The Monk

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Eddie, did you know Bob Ivey from the Bream Fishers Group
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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Reg Wignall used to be a policeman I think. He still lives near Steve in Standish near Wigan.

I met Bob Ivey in London ca 1966 together with my old fishing mate Derek Gibson, who is one of the greatest pike lure anglers of all time, but keeps a low profile these days
 
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The Monk

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Interestingly Ron The London Specimen Group clim to be the first group to be formed excluding the Carp Catchers Club, this is according to n0 6 edition of NASG Bulleting of april 1967, this cant be true of course, groups existed prior to the 1950s and the original Tenchfishers (1954) and Barbel Catchers formed in the 50s

groups like the Golden Barbel Club and the Red Spinners were of course much earlier
 
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The Monk

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another interesting note is found here in a 1969 edition relating to "The National Crucian Carp Specimen Group", secretary Geoff Seabrook of Luton
 
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The Monk

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along with an article by a young lad called Graham Marsden 2nd December 1968 on The Unknown factors of Predatory Habits of Coarse Fish
 
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ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)

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Thats not Reg --- Reg was a joiner....
The policeman was Ray Brown
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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Yes, you are right Eddie - sorry, The Traffic Cop was Ray Brown.

Didn't he pinch you for having a Guinness Beer mat as a tax disc?
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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As far as I can remember, the London Specimen Hunters Club, who's sec. was Peter Butler, was the first organisation of it's kind that called itself a "Specimen" group.

Before that, there were many others, some no more than a few mates who got together to pool ideas and most of all transport.

Most of the guys I knew who were older than me at the time and who owned cars, could only get to some of the places if they had mates who would help with fuel.

Fuel did cost a lot of money in those days and the vehicles were not very fuel efficient at all. I can do over 80 miles with Rose on a long trip for the cost of a gallon.

There were also little groups of anglers who fished together as long ago as the Victorian period. JW Martin had many friends he fished with, so did FWK Wallis. They didn't ever think of calling themselves "Specimen Groups", but that's just what they were.

The Carp Catchers Club was probably the first "Specimen Group" in terms of how we relate to them. They had a list of members, they had meetings, and they had a rotary letter.
 

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Monk, I'll have a root through my loft and see what I can find. There could be a few copies of Freeline. Anything else I can help with let me know.

Reg Wignall was also known as Wiggy W*****. A certain motor bike cop used to come and sit with me on the meres for hours on end while he was on duty, with his police bike parked close enough to hear his radio in case he got a call.

He got onto loads of private waters by waiting for, and then stopping, the owners for speeding and then letting them off for granting him permission to fish.

But that was a long time ago. He's probably retired now, so I won't be getting him into trouble.
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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By crikey Graham, I wonder how many of our younger members will be queuing up at police stations to join up now.

I often wonder why there are so many Coppers who go fishing.

Any on this website??

At the Rotherham Cop Shop they have quite a club going. Not bad blokes either. A certain DC sees me going to work regularly and often gives me a cheery wave.

And no I don't break any traffic laws.
 
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ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)

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He got his nickname from certain rustling noises that used to come from behind his umbrella/bivvie
 
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The Monk

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Thanks Graham appreciated mate, nice to see how many of the older guys are still with us, the ones in their 80s and 90s. I often though I wished I`d have been born 15 years earlier and experienced NASG in the early days, it wasnt really until the 70s that I became involved. NASG was largly scientifically based, and had, like the National Anguilla Club, quite a few BIS members, the chance to NASA developed the social input, while presently with SAA we have moved back to a political orientation, with group members like the pac, cARP sOCIETY ect taking forward social development
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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One of the great things about the old NASG was the get togethers and conferences where you met some of your heros. I remember meeting the likes of Peter and Sue Stone, Fred Wagstaffe, Bob Reynolds, Frank Guttfield, Jack Hilton, Peter Frost, Peter Wheat, Bob Church and many others who went on to make big names for themselves.

One of the most frustrating parts of these early conferences was that you were called to order and sometimes had to sit through hours of boring political discourse, voting, minutes of the last meetings, and quite often, vitriolic arguements.

That was the downside of course.

On the upside we met some marvellous people who remained friends for the rest of our lives.

I remember going out for lunch in Melton Mowbray with **** Walker, Eric Hodson and Tag Barnes. We talked up a storm over lunch in a nearby pub and **** paid the bill. We had to wait nearly 20 minutes for the waitress to bring ****'s change back.

When we got back to the meeting, we got a few black looks from the rest of the members. We were 1/2 an hour late.

Later that day we went over to a friends house in Melton and had an incredible booze up in his garage. Fred Wagstaffe got so plastered we had to put him asleep in the back of Eric's car.

We crashed out in his house, much to the disgust of his missus.

I wish I knew that guy's name.

The following week their appeared a photo of me and Fred Wagstaffe looking very nuch the worse for wear in the Angling Telegraph.

Happy days.

Oh, and Ray Webb got clonked on a pint of Drambuie.
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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And then there was the time I was kicked out of Northern Specimen Group. That's right, kicked out of the organisation I had started. You see I was a bit young (24) and bolshie then. It was on a major problem with certain photos that had been published by me in the Angling Press.

The news of that, not only made the front page of Angling Times, but also the front page of our local sports paper and our Sheffield Morning daily.

I was so embarrased one morning when 3 young women ran up to me as I walked from the bus to work and asked if I was that guy on the front page of the paper.

Come on Monk, what would you have done?
 
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