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Stuart Dennis 2

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The Carp Society is one of many organisations that is either doing well for its quest or is struggling and losing its direction and grip on what it once stood for.

In an ideal carping world what would you like to see achieved from a new carp style society/club and why?
 
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Dave Silvers

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The problem I find with groups such as this is that

a) they tend to promote elitism, not necessarily intentionally. (and thats not easy to type after a few beers)

b) unless extremely well run and focused, most organisations self destruct after a time under the weight of their own bureaucracy, by which I mean that they eventually lose sight of the very reason for their existance and end up with petty squabbling regarding rules and rule changes and personell clashes etc.

Having said that I can see the need for certain groups and ruling bodies in any sport or walk of life, or anarchy would prevail, however their sole intention should be to promote and better the chosen sport etc. for the good of all those who partake ( or who subscribe, or are allowed to subscribe)

Me bitter ?...................Never
 
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Dave Silvers

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Stu - why is there now two of you ? or have I missed something on another thread.

Bone idle me - can't be bothered to read all the threads.
 
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Stuart Dennis 2

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I don't know about two of me Dave, but have put another 18 stone on sinc I gave up smoking! Or....I may have just put up another pic!

Anyways, what would you want to see a Carp Association achieveing? In an ideal world of course?
 
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Dave Silvers

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In an ideal world then Stu, what colour would the sky be there then?

Campaigning for the rights of carp anglers in general, not just for limited members.
OK that's where the ideal world suddenly has grey skies again, cos it's only subscribtion fees that keep such organisations going.

Free exchange of information between anglers (sorry nearly choked there, laughing so much).

Provision of, or access to waters nationwide.

You did say ideal world.

Seriously though, any organisation such as the the carp society needs to be on various bodies at decision making level to ensure the view of carp anglers is represented. I don't know if this is the current situation as I'm not a member of the CS.
Maybe you or someone else could set out the aims of the CS then it may open up the discussion.
 
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Carp Angler

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I'm nopt sure of their aims now, but their site is here The CS
and lifted directly from it, is this interesting snippet.

"Brief History:
The need for a new national carp organisation was originally suggested to Tim Paisley by Rod Hutchinson in the late seventies. As the momentum for the project gathered pace Tim enlisted the help of Greg Fletcher, George Sharman and Colin Dyson. The result of this collaboration saw the inaugural meeting of The Carp Society take place at the Kenwood Hotel, Sheffield on the 24th May 1981. It was agreed subsequently that the objectives of the Society, on which its constitution was founded, should be threefold:

1. To entertain members through publications and meetings.
2. To take some of the competitiveness out of carp fishing and influence carp anglers to adopt a moderate attitude and fish for pleasure rather than prestige.
3. To make an effort to protect carp fishing, and angling generally, through a collective involvement in angling politics.

From the outset the Society was a success and received tremendous support with over 1800 carp anglers joining in the first twelve months. By the spring of 1986 membership had risen to in excess of 2000. In 1993 membership had grown sufficient to make the Society the largest specialist-angling organisation in Europe."
 
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Frothey

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those 3 points in a nutshell!

as times moved on, i think horseshoe is an excellent example of how to run a commercial water....its just meant to be a flagship water, not a revenue earner. shouldnt the cs "give" fish from the stock pool to help develope other waters? i know the cs has been looking for more waters for years, but you do have to wonder how hard they are looking as theyve only added two to the portfolio.

do you think that apart from matt hayes (great personality, but not really first name that springs to mind when you say "carp") not having any carp personalities at the helm is detrimental? how many young (or old!) anglers know who david mannall is? also noticed that they are down to 5 regional organisers...
 
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sash

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It always seems to me that even though a group starts off with all the best intentions that after a time the enthusiasm of organisors and members tends to die off a bit and everything stays in limbo. If you look at a lot of the single species group websites for example there have been no updates for months, even years. The annual (or bi-annual) mags become thinner with more advertising content, the fish-ins / teach - ins don't happen anymore and as already hinted at, all sorts of wrongdoings tend to go on when cash enters the frame.

I for one would welcome a new Specimen Group that caters for all species yet is on a small enough scale that the collaboration does still take place. Only problem with a smaller scale group is the lack of "political" power.
 
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Carp Angler

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point 2 really is the clincher for me.

But I have never seen the CS, nor any of it's members adopt this.

It's a shame that most people don't adopt this atitude.
 
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Frothey

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i think it used to be, but its hard to now when the prime venue's used for competitions...
 
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Stuart Bullard 3

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I would be tempted to add a 4th point Rik (and I agree whole heartedly with you on point 2) and you will not like this because you got a long thread going on this topic when you re-surfaced. And that is removing the "loutishness" that has surfaced recently.

I know it is in no way 100% prevalent amongst the carping community, but I whitnessed many episodes of it last year and frankly it was unacceptable. So, rather than overstate the point, I would have (as in any aspects of fishing) promoting acceptable behavoir.

How are you anyway?
 
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Stuart Dennis 2

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The answers coming back from this thread are quite enlightening and seemingly shaped from previous experiences/rumours/historical truths. So what about if you had a completely fresh canvas? What would make up your ideal ?Carp Club??

A Club that would include the following perhaps? :

Anglers reviews of carp fishing abroad?The education of youngsters?
Work parties?
Teaching Fish-ins for both teachers and pupils of which everyone could get involved?
Friendly Fish-ins?
Group Discounts?

What would YOU want out of a club?
 
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Frothey

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stu (b or 3!) - ".....adopt a moderate attitude and fish for pleasure" i dont know how a national society can stop loutish behaviour through education, louts are louts. locally, why not just get the club to ban them. if its a day ticket water (and if the owner doesnt care) you've got no chance..

stu (d or 2) are we now talking about an ideal local club, or a national society?
 
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sash

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Guys,
Why carp club? Why distance yourself from the other branches of the sport that some of you do already take part in? Isn't one of the 'pathetic' aspects of our modern world that even in our own sport every different branch slags each other off etc etc.

Why distance another 'carp club' hence group of carp anglers from the modern day specialist? Why not cater for multi species fishermen? Surely having a froup of anglers dedicating their time and energies into one club is better than spreading themselves too thinly across many?

I would for example be a member of carp, pike, zander,eel,tench,perch, barbel, river campaigning, rights for anglers etc etc groups! Why not combine skills and disciplines from across the board?
 
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Stuart Bullard 3

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Stu 2 (wot is going on with these numbers?) I would like busty totty bringing round bacon butties and giving evening massages.

Well, one can dream......
 
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Stuart Dennis 2

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Thats the point Dave, it can be national/local whatever, its an ideal club!

Sash, Its in an ideal world so whatever floats your boat. But what would you like to achieve or stand for and how would this be executed in your club?
 
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Frothey

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just some things (like work parties) have to be sorted locally, cant really have a national work party body, can we?
 
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Frothey

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what do i want in a club? 30 acre gravel pit, lightly stocked with "horseshoe" style heavily scaled fish...AND IN DEVON!
 
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