fishcatcher60
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Are Internet articles stuck in the past? Is video the way forward?
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fishcatcher60
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I have found with some of the video's that if there is no commentary or at least subtitles to let you know what they are actually doing it is very boring just watching someone just catch fish after fish.
I also think that anything much more than about 30 minutes long i find myself skipping through it sometimes and that's me being a keen angler getting bored.
You just have to pick out the people you actually like to watch and they are not always famous either.
I also think that anything much more than about 30 minutes long i find myself skipping through it sometimes and that's me being a keen angler getting bored.
You just have to pick out the people you actually like to watch and they are not always famous either.
mikench
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I like the way Mark Wintle fishes and the tackle he uses. It shows an individual streak that is refreshing rather than follow the herd. The regular posters on here are all individuals and the majority are very skilled anglers with vast experience but even then a blank is never far away and we all know that tactics that work one day may not the next. I enjoy what I do even if I wouldn't win a match or winkle out special fish. It's the whole experience that I enjoy and still do after nearly 5 years. I admire the fishing and successes of the likes of Kev, Philip and Rob. We are all different and it's that difference which merits acknowledgment. I know my failings but am undeterred. I just hope I can carry on for a good many years.
There are too many videos of every activity on YouTube, tictoc and others. I'm not talking about just angling either. There are people who aspire to be motivational speakers and who think they are. They only motivate me to switch off. The whole Twitface, LinkedIn and other social media leaves me cold so vids on those pass me by.
There are too many videos of every activity on YouTube, tictoc and others. I'm not talking about just angling either. There are people who aspire to be motivational speakers and who think they are. They only motivate me to switch off. The whole Twitface, LinkedIn and other social media leaves me cold so vids on those pass me by.
Current versus currant (being a dried seedless grape) ?Can you let me in on the joke please.
Can you let me in on the joke please.
The poster was raisin an eyebrow at your spelling.
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The different formats aren’t against each other, they present different things. In the same way a book and the television does. Sometimes you just want a good read and sometimes you want to watch.
Mark Wintle
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Some interesting comments. I say that if you watch a video that is fairly new - not 10 years old! - and the creator is posting new videos on a regular basis and you have a constructive criticism then post it - it should help the creator. I know I'm learning all the time, making lots of mistakes and bouncing ideas off my cameraman. Sometimes the editing takes longer than the fishing but it's worth it.
I understand Mark liking the tackle he uses,that is his preference,I wish I had bought an Avenger 2000 myself,float choices suit rivers and baits,along with river conditions,lots of anglers dont have a plan (b),or know why they might need one,each river presents different presentation issues,as do lakes come to that....ive yet to watch many videos give a relevent list of reasons as to why you should do this,or do that,as I said earlier,many anglers get bored with this type of video,but when I listen to Jamie Hughes,he is that sort of angler,he uses his presentations to beat problems he faces....
Funny you should mention him Alan. I don't do his type of fishing, but his ability to read the feedback he gets - like what kind of bites he's getting and when they occur relative to feeding, how he puts the rig in etc - is so good it's uncanny, as is his understanding of exactly how his rig is behaving. This power of observation, plus making adjustments to to turn it into more bites and more fish in the net, is outstanding, and when you watch a few of his videos you can see why he's so phenomenally successful. His videos are masterclasses and he's a great explainer. I generally feel completely inadequate when I watch them, but I take comfort from the fact that when he gets dragged on to a river by his fellow angler Andy May, he shapes up like a complete novice and can barely get his float in the water. It would be unbearable if he were supreme at everything.
Kevin Perkins
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Mark's skill and expertise are skills which are transferable to video presentation. My inane ramblings certainly aren't the type of thing that would make interesting viewing. They would probably have to be filmed in a 'fishing hut' set with me recounting ditties in the manner of say Jack Hargreaves ( but nowhere near as entertaining)
And is often quoted 'a picture (video) paints a 1000 words, but my own feeble attempts were to paint a picture using a 1000 words.
Going back to the question of Internet articles, the question is more where is the encouragement to write/submit them to be found these days...?
Somewhere like the current FM with its posse of 'staff' writers must be a daunting prospect for the tyro writer.
And indeed, aren’t FM's current staff article writers refugees from the smouldering ashes of what was once the Angling press. Where would they be able to ply their trade now without the Internet...?
And is often quoted 'a picture (video) paints a 1000 words, but my own feeble attempts were to paint a picture using a 1000 words.
Going back to the question of Internet articles, the question is more where is the encouragement to write/submit them to be found these days...?
Somewhere like the current FM with its posse of 'staff' writers must be a daunting prospect for the tyro writer.
And indeed, aren’t FM's current staff article writers refugees from the smouldering ashes of what was once the Angling press. Where would they be able to ply their trade now without the Internet...?
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I think (well hope) there is a place for both video and the written word in angling
As for fishing videos, I think the trap a lot of the creators fall into is that they think they have to be educational and focus on techniques and « how to » type of content. The problem , as many of the regulars on here will know, is that as there is very little new in angling it becomes just a re-hashing of what we have seen before so it can become to some extent boring.
Where I think there is scope for truly unique content is in the reminiscence type of videos, story telling if you like. For example anglers talking about their experiences in days gone past. Perhaps a tour of a famous venue and what it was like back in the day, or memories of a special match or special catch walking the match length as you tell it, or just reminisce about characters they have fished with. Alternatively super in depth videos about a specific subject that the creator clearly knows their stuff about.
For someone like Mark Wintle ,while there will always be a place in showing how they fish, with his background and in depth historical & specialist knowledge this is what I would be trying to tap into. Find ways to create content around that, as that is what will be unique and different and stand out from the crowd. I think he is already trying to do this, for example his seris on hybridization, in depth and unique, thats the type of path I would continue to explore.
While to some extent its easy for people to copy & fake technical knowledge on a video, you cannot fake personal memories or experiences of someone else which makes the content refreshing and original.
How popular this would be with the masses I think remains to be seen. There are quite a few people doing this type of content now and I find it more interesting than just the pure tech type videos. However based on written content the mags that went down the more "story" type or route eventually didnt do too well, maybe it will work better & be more sustainable for video content. The only way to find out is to try it.
As for fishing videos, I think the trap a lot of the creators fall into is that they think they have to be educational and focus on techniques and « how to » type of content. The problem , as many of the regulars on here will know, is that as there is very little new in angling it becomes just a re-hashing of what we have seen before so it can become to some extent boring.
Where I think there is scope for truly unique content is in the reminiscence type of videos, story telling if you like. For example anglers talking about their experiences in days gone past. Perhaps a tour of a famous venue and what it was like back in the day, or memories of a special match or special catch walking the match length as you tell it, or just reminisce about characters they have fished with. Alternatively super in depth videos about a specific subject that the creator clearly knows their stuff about.
For someone like Mark Wintle ,while there will always be a place in showing how they fish, with his background and in depth historical & specialist knowledge this is what I would be trying to tap into. Find ways to create content around that, as that is what will be unique and different and stand out from the crowd. I think he is already trying to do this, for example his seris on hybridization, in depth and unique, thats the type of path I would continue to explore.
While to some extent its easy for people to copy & fake technical knowledge on a video, you cannot fake personal memories or experiences of someone else which makes the content refreshing and original.
How popular this would be with the masses I think remains to be seen. There are quite a few people doing this type of content now and I find it more interesting than just the pure tech type videos. However based on written content the mags that went down the more "story" type or route eventually didnt do too well, maybe it will work better & be more sustainable for video content. The only way to find out is to try it.
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sam vimes
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There's a problem within angling that anyone can talk the talk without needing any great evidence to back up their claims. Quality match anglers are probably the exception in that their credentials are laid bare on a weekly basis. Some of the specimen anglers out there that make the angling papers every month for years are obviously doing things right, but that doesn't necessarily say much about their overall angling ability. At least for some of them, good venues and lots of free time can cover for deficiencies in ability.
Video does at least expose some deficiencies in some otherwise decent, knowledgable anglers skill sets. I've grown very weary of watching anything to do with the use of centrepins. Many that claim some level of proficiency don't actually seem to have a great deal. Others that don't claim any great proficiency can be downright inept. God only knows how bad they might be without the aid of judicious editing. Some making videos are simply not good anglers, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't watchable. The only danger they pose is when those that don't know any better start believing that they are good anglers that are worth emulating.
However, all power to anyone prepared to write about or video their exploits. I can barely be bothered to take any pictures these days. I found that simply taking the odd scenic or fishy pic for the HDYGO thread became a chore.
Video does at least expose some deficiencies in some otherwise decent, knowledgable anglers skill sets. I've grown very weary of watching anything to do with the use of centrepins. Many that claim some level of proficiency don't actually seem to have a great deal. Others that don't claim any great proficiency can be downright inept. God only knows how bad they might be without the aid of judicious editing. Some making videos are simply not good anglers, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't watchable. The only danger they pose is when those that don't know any better start believing that they are good anglers that are worth emulating.
However, all power to anyone prepared to write about or video their exploits. I can barely be bothered to take any pictures these days. I found that simply taking the odd scenic or fishy pic for the HDYGO thread became a chore.