Coarse fishing tackle and rigs

[mikench]

I've often wondered why , when beach casting for example of fishing of rocks, nobody seems to use a hair rig, just a large bait impaled on a hook. Is there a reason why ? I have used bait elastic or pva tape when using crab or soft fish fillets to ensure the bait remains on the hook when casting but not sure if it's effective.

I plan to do some more Sea fishing this autumn and winter starting next month in the med and plan to use an Okuma Baitrunner lying in a drawer to see if it aids bite detection. I know you can slacken the drag but why are there no Baitrunner Sea reels?

I have loads of potentially suitable gear here so I plan to use it. Redundant carp rods, cheap twin tips and others I'll never use can be tried.

Any tips?

 

[tigger]

I don't think a baitrunner is to detect a bite Mike, i think it's more to stop your rod from going overboard when fishing multiple rods and fishing for heavier fish.

 

[sam vimes]

why are there no Baitrunner Sea reels?

Baitrunners started out as sea reels. The original being the Shimano Triton Sea Spin. Quite a few modern models (Shimano Baitrunner Ds and OCs are sea reels in most territories) are primarily intended as sea reels. The fact that carp (and later specialist/match) anglers found them useful was largely a happy accident for the tackle manufacturers.

We've now progressed to "quick drag" reels, which have partly replaced the lever operated models for many. Until the manufacturers started putting this feature on smaller match sized reels, the vast bulk of the reels that had it were derived from sea reels.

It's simply not true that there are no Baitrunner sea reels.

 

[mikench]

I stand corrected.

 

[tigger]

I stand corrected.

Go stand and face the corner ?.

They made us do that back in the day lol.

 

[103841]

There are a few sea anglers not aware of saltwater baitrunners. Someone I know, quite an experienced sea angler, posted a video a week or two ago showing his rod and reel almost disappearing over the pier railings, he got there just in time. I asked the question, why not use a bait runner? He didn’t think there was (is) such a thing.

 

[tigger]

I'm sure I can remember Matt Hayes using shimano baitrunners in a series he did many years ago when fishing in the sea, although, I think he may have just been spining with them rather than legering?

 

[TimFB]

Baitrunners were invented for fishing freelined livebait. The original gold spool saltwater baitrunners from the late 80s/early 90s are utterly bomb proof and much sought after still. I use mine for carp in France to this day and have used them to catch tarpon, snappers and sharks in the days before mortgages, kids and university fees allowed me to go and do a bit of fishing in such places on my own!

On the subject of the hair rig, it does work in saltwater for certain species, but so do circle hooks...which you never see in freshwater in the uk...

 

[peter crabtree]

but so do circle hooks...which you never see in freshwater in the uk...

Would you count Guru QM 1 hooks as circle hooks? Loads of uk anglers use them, including me....

 

[Steve Arnold]

I've often wondered why , when beach casting for example of fishing of rocks, nobody seems to use a hair rig, just a large bait impaled on a hook. Is there a reason why ? I have used bait elastic or pva tape when using crab or soft fish fillets to ensure the bait remains on the hook when casting but not sure if it's effective.

I plan to do some more Sea fishing this autumn and winter starting next month in the med and plan to use an Okuma Baitrunner lying in a drawer to see if it aids bite detection. I know you can slacken the drag but why are there no Baitrunner Sea reels?

I have loads of potentially suitable gear here so I plan to use it. Redundant carp rods, cheap twin tips and others I'll never use can be tried.

Any tips?

My recent little story started with a photo of a common skate caught on a giant sized hair rig! https://www.fishingmagic.com/forums...g-years-part-2-the-boats.371187/#post-1539226

I had been using livebaits for tope on hair rigs at least more than a few decades ago, before I had even heard the "hair-rig" term from the carp anglers. Many sea anglers have been "bridle rigging" their baits for big predators. Similar principle in keeping the hook clear of the bait and allowing the fish to get the bait well into its mouth before feeling the cold steel!

For me the benefit was tope and common skate were hooked around the jaw. Deep hooked fish and the problems of release are always something I have tried to avoid.

It's only since moving to inland France I have got to use hair-rigs and boilies in the rivers.

As for baitrunners its already been said - first developed for sea anglers! My Shimano baitrunner 8000 OC has caught a lot of fish around the Scottish coast, it was eventually my first choice for boat fishing.

Sea anglers frequently use pennel rigs (two hooks the length of the bait apart). Often the top hook is a relatively small circle hook and the bottom hook a large standard "J" hook. It's quite normal to find the smaller circle hook in the lip of a hooked fish and the "J" hook hanging free. Effectively the "J" hook simply supported the bait and the top circle hook did the hooking of the fish. An accidental "hair-rig" in effect!

 

[103841]

Would you count Guru QM 1 hooks as circle hooks? Loads of uk anglers use them, including me....

amd on the rare occasion I fish for pike I use circle hooks.

 

[Aknib]

I wonder when and where the slider float first TRULY entered service?

Forget the perfectioners and so called pioneers, most things existed in some form or another before someone else picked it up and made a bit of coin out if it.

Take the hair rig for example.

Coarse fishing springs immediately to mind but it's my go to when taking some gear on holiday with the intention of bagging a few Wrasse and Pollock off Cornish rock marks, been caught out on numerous occasions too after plumbing up and staying at the same depth when the tide has either gone out or come in.

Schoolboy error!

 

[seth49]

When making two or three hook traces up for sea fishing, ie Pennel or Stewart traces, the knotless knot was brilliant for these, found it easy and effective.

 

[mikench]

Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of Yuki fishing gear and in particular their saltwater reels?