Dirty Tackle Talk

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Wasn’t there a fishing program with the name Dirty Tackle? Or was it a radio show? Nick Fisher? I should know because I did work on it but it all seems (and is) a long time ago. No matter, the name sticks, and I realise I need to talk tackle because it is on my mind, as you will see, and also because the Forums are full of tackle talk, dirty or not. In fact, I guess some of us like angling for the tackle rather than what it catches.

To kick off, I notice over the years, and recently too, Hardy Marksman coarse rods continue to get talked about on the Forums even though they are now discontinued. Or perhaps because of that fact!? I have sworn to tell nothing but the truth in these writings and I stick by that. So this is how I personally see these rods. To start, are they value for money considering they were made in China? Hmm. At the time, pretty much everything rod wise at Hardy was made offshore, apart from the Gladstone built cane wands and there was good reason for that. Partly the finances worked then but also the workforce in the Alnwick factory was disinterested, to put it mildly. There was not much love lost between the shop floor and management and the Chinese put their heart and soul into doing the best job they could. So you can make your mind up on that one!

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A carp landed on a Marksman 14 ft Specialist

As to the rods, for the last 13 or 14 years I have battered many of the rods in the range to extinction and back. Most have been the original models, not the second generation Superos, and some are even unbadged prototypes. I’m not a huge fan of the Ultralight Bomb rods – they are too stiff for what I wanted. Nor do I quivertip much so the rods in the Feeder family have never had much use. Perhaps that is my fault as anglers as good as Neill Stephen used to swear by them I remember.

The Avons and the float rods are a different matter altogether and I use them for 90% of my coarse fishing. I’ve never noticed a whole deal of difference between the Specialists and the Specimens but no matter. What I have found is that they all of them have been colossally versatile and enduringly tough, whilst still being a delight to use. The 14ft float rods are arguably my favourite and they have landed roach, barbel, tench, big bream and carp to 35 pounds plus without ever looking uncomfortable. Never once has a Marksman broken on me…last year I witnessed FIVE Acolytes snap by the way. The Avons are equally robust and adaptable and the 12ft version I even use for my close in pike work..with half a dozen 30s telling that tale. I guess there are lighter and cheaper rods out there, but, with absolute honesty, I’ll be staying put with Hardy.

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    Marksman Avon in action
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    Four tench for 32 pounds, all landed on Marksman Avons

Dirty tackle is me. I’m miles from being the proverbial tackle tart but there are times I wish I had been. I spent a drab winter weekend sorting the garage out ready for my house move. Woe is me. I found some cracking rods, many of which I’d forgotten I even possessed, but nearly all had been treated badly! No tubes. No bags. No stoppers. No ticketing or guarantees. Plenty of spiders and not a few mouse gnawed rod butts. Mind you, I wasn’t the only one to treat tackle as a tool for the bank rather than an item for the display case. I found John Wilson’s barbel rod and reel that he gave me when he went to Thailand. The rod ( a John Wilson Masterline Heritage WHR 115 Carp) was as battered as any of mine and the reel ( a Rovex Oberon Baitrunner) looked like those barbel had driven a truck over it. Equally depressingly, I stumbled across a Richard Carter Dragonfly he had made for me especially a quarter of a century back. Sacrilege is the only word I can find for its condition today.

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There were a few bright spots. A pristine hardy Angel fly rod along with some Hardy fly reels that had not become glued with sweetcorn juice cheered me up! My matched pair of Mark1V Carp rods looked pretty fine, though the set on both made me wish I hadn’t used them for Wensum barbel back in the 80s and 90s. Best of all, my Fred Buller Hardy Pike rod I found intact, the black glass and green whippings still gleaming. This rod Fred had given me himself, towards the end of his life when I went to meet up with him and his beloved wife Margaret at the house of tackle maestro Keith Elliot. Fred had meant so much to me and had been so generous to me to boot. In 1990 or thereabouts he even lent me his Ballinrobe cottage on Lough Mask for 5 or 6 weeks whilst I straightened my life out. Yes, I was relieved his gift hadn’t gone “dirty” like the rest of it!

All this made me realise that whatever I am lucky enough to accrue in the time I have left, I will jolly well look after and treasure. And that again, is the truth!

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I have never owned a Hardy. They sound good. Mike on here seems to collect them;). By coincidence today I took an old Normark match rod to a man who will upgrade the handle to a screw fitting. Its a lovely light rod ideal for fine hooklengths but the reel slipping drove me nuts.
There seems few if any rods sold today with such a sweet action. All beefy commercial jobs it seems.
I am sure it will be like a new rod.


Edited.... You mention Nick Fisher. I think I remember him doing angling shows on the box. It was something like "Screaming Reels". If remembered correctly in one prog was dear old Peter Stone.
 
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I'll second your admiration of the Hardy rods John as will several others here, the fact that they are now pretty much irreplaceable other than by chance on the used market with the occasional unused and highly priced rarity makes me treasure mine even more.

I've used nothing other than (mainly first generation original) Marksmans for several years now, I bought my first (13' Specialist Float) back in 2012 and have pretty much all but gone through the range and I've landed some fish on some of them that I quite frankly had no right to expect to land.

I was surprised to hear you found the Ultralite Bomb Rod a little on the stiff side although I guess it depends on what you're using it for, I find it a fantastic margin rod for big Perch on the worm especially as I managed to get hold of a Marksman 1/2 oz glass tip which withstands the shyest and most cautious of cold weather enquiries without raising any concern with the target.

One question...

You mentioned a 12' Avon, was this a prototype as, to the best of my knowledge, the heaviest and longest Avon only went to 11' 6"?

Ps... It's been a pleasure reading your articles to date and I'm looking forwards to many more.
 

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There was a 12 specimen rod in the supero range, maybe this is the one John is referring to?

I enjoy using my 14ft specialist and still have a brand new unused one :).
My own favourite is the 11ft avon, either the specialist or the supero. I have a pair of each and appart from the reel seat colour, guides, whipping, and possibly a slight difference in the colour of the blanks they seem to be exactly the same blank.
I have an unused pair of the supero barbel rods, they are just too nice to use!!

John, didn't you have something to do with the testing of the marksman rods and hardy reels?

 

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I'm absolutely not a collector, or displayer, of fishing tackle. Everything I buy is, at least, intended for use. Occasionally, for many reasons, things don't work out quite that way though. A rod or reel is absolutely a tool for a job. However, I endeavour to keep my rods and reels as clean as possible, regardless of how much use they get. It doesn't take a huge effort to do so and I hate using gear encrusted in bait residue, slime and muck. Whilst knowing that some signs of age and use are unavoidable, the way some folks treat their kit leaves me cold. Whilst others might think I'm strange for my kit cleaning regime, it makes me rather happy when someone asks "new rod?" when I'm actually using something that's seen a lot of use over many years. If I find something I really like, I'll do as much as possible to keep it in the best condition I can so I can go on using it for as long as possible.
 

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If you want really dirty tackle go for it, don't be shy, I'd like to think of myself as not a tackle tart but a tackle tramp. It's weird for sure, would a guitar forum not laud the greatest designs and works of art in their genre? Yes. Yet all this talk of Hardys and Acolytes goes right over my head.

If you want loads of shots of fish next to a cheap rod that's inherited from anglers passed, covered in a combination of slime, turmeric, maise and the sweat of a couple of generations of average anglers then that's not a problem, Don't you just love the way the butt handle gets coated in years of ageing, years of build up of grime? No? Then it's just me then. Cool!

Thing is this rod catches loads of fish and feels great, does the job fine, like a work horse, like my car but tuned. All this pristine rod nonsense is for the boy band generation of anglers, go see a proper guitar and it's worn to the fret, the paint is gone and it's made some sweet sounds. You can keep your cellophane butts and your clean gear, go get some some mud on your boots, wear it with pride and just go fishing, or you could be wearing plus fours and listening to Kenny G.

Tackle tart of tackle tramp? I'm happy to weird out on the latter as it catches the same as the former.
 

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I can relate to both sides of the fence,I only want a good tool for the job,very often thats a rod like a Hardy,Normark,or Harrison,rarely lucky that it is a cheap rod,the Darent Valley rod that several of us have on site is a beauty though,I hated my 13ft Marksman float rod,it was a poor rod in comparison to the Preston Excel I bought after i'd sold it,the Avon Specialist smuggler 11' 6" was a decent bit of kit, that is why I still have it and didn't flog it after binka sold his Avon for such a good price... Over the years i've had six Hardy I think,seven Normarks,four Harrisons,all well made and great in the hand....
 

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Over the years i've had six Hardy I think,seven Normarks,four Harrisons
...and a partidge in a pear tree :D

Seriously I think my issues come from the fact I've never had the moneys to buy such rods, If I had one I'd use it till it bled, but i'd probably break it way before that and that bloody celophane would have been long gone. My old Sundridge Helical Graphite looks like **** now, dunno if it's a good rod or ever was but it saw some fish back in the day and creaks like **** now. I wonder can a rod can actually get worn out?
 

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I've seen a few with spigot joints that were worn past the point of no return. One of my oldest Daiwa rods is well down that road.
Can it be superbodged ? My sundridge has got electrical tape holding the bottom reel seat and had it's rings renewed, there's something about self repair that surpasses new bought
 

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Can it be superbodged ? My sundridge has got electrical tape holding the bottom reel seat and had it's rings renewed, there's something about self repair that surpasses new bought

It can be dealt with if required. The most extreme way is having a proper rod builder replace the spigot. The DIY way is to use a decent joint saver spray. I can't say I'm a fan of bodging anything, other than as an emergency fix. Almost as much an anathema to me as having minging gear for the want of ten minutes, a bit of water and some elbow grease.
 

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It can be dealt with if required. The most extreme way is having a proper rod builder replace the spigot. The DIY way is to use a decent joint saver spray. I can't say I'm a fan of bodging anything, other than as an emergency fix. Almost as much an anathema to me as having minging gear for the want of ten minutes, a bit of water and some elbow grease.
Please don't mistake bodging for superbodging, the latter is a art form born out of necessity

As for minging gear, the only time I clean mine is after sea fishing, once again a necessity, also mingingness can help keep joe public away from you on the canal, every cloud ;)
 

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Reading this thread reminded me that my Normark microlight rod (which I used yesterday on the canal in the rain) was minging. The cork was covered in rotting ground bait, fish slime etc and actually had green hairy mold growing on it which stank.
Just given it a good scrub up, dried the wet velvet rod bag and it’s tube.
 
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I think the mark of a good bit of tackle is what it gives you in terms of payback, or value, as some may phrase it.

Value can be measured in various individual ways, maybe in terms of what you've achieved with it in which case it negates the scale of cost as it becomes relative to what it's delivered or maybe in terms of resell value, or just the sheer enjoyment it gives you in your own individual ideal?

I've sold used Hardy tackle at higher prices than I personally paid for it and that's after giving it a good run out myself, the preferences for clean or gunked up gear or just that in my mind, just preferences and little to do with quality either in terms of value or sentiment and both of which I value equally if not edging ahead in sentiment.

Whether or not you value mucky, story telling gear or gleaming, looked after gear which offers a more discreet hint of its background is immaterial as to its actual quality but nothing can outweigh your individual enjoyment of such pieces of tackle.

And that's what makes us different and so interesting...

We don't all share the same ideals but in one way or another we all make what we like work for us :)
 

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I must admit that I am really fussy about my gear, it doesn't have to be the most expensive or new or shiny but it does have to be right (for me) and work properly. What it looks like I don't care, it's dirty, grimy, mainly old and battered but it all works even though it gets hammered. When I carp fished the blokes in the club used to take the mickey re my battered stuff, I used to tell them that the carp don't know they can only see the bit at the end of the line.

I have a car which is used just for fishing, my wife hates getting in it. It is washed and cleaned once a year just before the MOT. If it looks a bit too bad I wash the wheel trims!
 

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I have to say that I’m a bit CDO when it comes to my fishing gear. That’s like OCD but with all of the letters in the right order.

I’m not actually, but my dad was born in a Welsh mining village in 1919 and had a hard upbringing, they were a poor family without much money. Any personal possessions were treasured. He probably passed some of his attitudes on to me. I can’t see someone bash a spanner with a hammer, sit a wood plane down on its blade, lever a tin open with a chisel without almost subconsciously thinking wtf. The same thing applies with fishing gear. If I see a guy lay a rod and reel down on a concrete bank it makes me physically cringe. It could be; if you don’t look after your property it’s a case of “easy come, easy go” My own kids and grandchildren are a bit like that and I have to say it bugs the hell out of me. Why would you treat your possessions as if they are worthless pieces of crap?


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I think we can all agree that we all value our gear immensely whether it's covered in grime or polished daily. I cringe too at the way some gear is laid out on some waters, it's almost like they want to tip gone via the first available dog or cyclist.
 
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