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I've been thinking about this a lot of late,i'm seriously considering selling at least some of the top end stuff,the way i'm feeling this last month or so is giving me real cause for concern...
I have periods like that when I wonder whether its all worth it. They go away though.

Just to clarify I am not contemplating giving it all up.....just thinning things out a bit. I might rediscover some old friends during the process too.
 

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To be honest I would quite happily swap half of my tackle for a decent set of golf clubs, at least I would use those. Unlike most of my fishing tackle.
I have two sets of golf clubs already even though I’m totally rubbish at golf



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The way I've been feeling I don't know when I will go again,at present it seems impossible...
 

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Sorry,I would like to go,but I'm hurting so much at times during the day it isn't an option,scan tomorrow,b.tests monday,pain killers do sod all...
 

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Thanks,it seems to have been going on for ages now,but four weeks plus with no fishing,with the pain being there for a few weeks before in a lesser amount,to me the nhs has not been open,as the GP just doesn't want to know,until I kept badgering,not something you want to do when you feel like shit...
 

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Thanks,it seems to have been going on for ages now,but four weeks plus with no fishing,with the pain being there for a few weeks before in a lesser amount,to me the nhs has not been open,as the GP just doesn't want to know,until I kept badgering,not something you want to do when you feel like shit...
I have had quite a few painful conditions over the years. Doctors can be awful slow to react and do something constructive I know!

What I have found is that you must keep badgering, my doctor only gave me painkillers for a leg pain. I went to casualty and they found nothing wrong. So I lived with the pain and just dragged my leg as best I could.

Finally, 8 months later, I was at an outpatients appointment for my lupus kidney condition. I was pretty desperate with the pain and mentioned it to that doctor. He sent me to their brand new ultrasound department - which in minutes showed I had a DVT which had started in my calf and moved up to my thigh. When that department checked back through my blood tests they could see this had happened 8 months earlier whilst I was in hospital with pneumonia.

Sometimes doctors treat the pain without giving it the thought a patient might expect!

Anyway, keep at them. It will be sorted at some point, difficult to be patient when in pain! (y)
 

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Alan I feel your pain. Do not let useless , incompetent and uncaring GP's get away with it. Threaten to complain. My local practice is full of them . We are going to change. If they are not seeing patients what are they doing? Insist on an appointment at least so that you can be listened to, looked at and examined. You might have something potentially serious if not diagnosed quickly. Your family needs you . Good luck.?
 

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Thanks,it seems to have been going on for ages now,but four weeks plus with no fishing,with the pain being there for a few weeks before in a lesser amount,to me the nhs has not been open,as the GP just doesn't want to know,until I kept badgering,not something you want to do when you feel like shit...
I have been told by those in the know that it is better to write them a letter and I have done this myself once or twice, they have to respond, if you have a printer, type one out and hand it in or post it. Give it a try, you might get a faster and better response. All this telephoning and using on-line just gets you calcitrant obstructive receptionists most of the time, there job is to make sure you don't see the doctor!! But, a letter addressed directly to your doctor and he has to deal with it personally. plus a letter you can take time to get it all down, your concerns, your complaints etc., all of it, less likely to forget to say something and I am sure a doctor is fully aware that this letter is a legal document as well!
Don't be ashamed of badgering them, they must be loving this, everyone reluctant to push them because of Covid, WE are still paying them very large salaries don't forget.
 
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Keep on pushing a close friend as just had a op after telling doctors there was some thing wrong with him for over 18 months. Phone appointments with doctors are a waste of time. All the kept saying was keep taking the tablets and if nothing happens ring back.
The surgeon said if we had caught this sooner the op would not have been so serious.
He now looking into compensation claim for lack of care.
 

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Keep on pushing a close friend as just had a op after telling doctors there was some thing wrong with him for over 18 months. Phone appointments with doctors are a waste of time. All the kept saying was keep taking the tablets and if nothing happens ring back.
The surgeon said if we had caught this sooner the op would not have been so serious.
He now looking into compensation claim for lack of care.
Look at my last post, it is relevant.
 

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I'm sorry gents but this notion that GP's have not been seeing anybody because of Covid is just plain nonsense....as is the idea that because they are not seeing people face to face they are sitting there doing nowt with their feet up. That's ill informed rubbish.....Mrs S works in a GP surgery and they have been seeing people who need to be seen throughout and are rushed off their feet every single day.

As in all things some practices/GPs are better than others but you could say the same about any profession.
 

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I have been told by those in the know that it is better to write them a letter and I have done this myself once or twice, they have to respond, if you have a printer, type one out and hand it in or post it. Give it a try, you might get a faster and better response. All this telephoning and using on-line just gets you calcitrant obstructive receptionists most of the time, there job is to make sure you don't see the doctor!! But, a letter addressed directly to your doctor and he has to deal with it personally. plus a letter you can take time to get it all down, your concerns, your complaints etc., all of it, less likely to forget to say something and I am sure a doctor is fully aware that this letter is a legal document as well!
Don't be ashamed of badgering them, they must be loving this, everyone reluctant to push them because of Covid, WE are still paying them very large salaries don't forget.

True to an extent in our own recent experience Mark. The passing of my partners Mum back in February was made all the more painful for what we were convinced was negligent care leading to her last breath and the few hours following.

Several phonecalls requiring an accurate report of what actually happened we're not forthcoming, I decided to write on my partners behalf to the hospital, a letter of several pages that took time to compose. It was almost THREE months before we got a reply but it was comprehensive and there were acknowledgments of errors made with apologies and assurances that procedures would be reviewed and corrected where necessary. This does nothing for the grief that the family are still going through but one can only hope they are true to their word and others in the future won't suffer in the same manner.

These letters don't go unnoticed and the East Kent Trust are already under scrutiny for poor results and working practices. Every letter of complaint adds to the pressure on those responsible.

Sadly it's the same for Alan, a formal complaint in writing is a must but won't help his own suffering but may help those in the future. As has already been said, change your GP practice even if it means travelling out of your local area, if that proves to be a problem, write to your local mp.

Good luck Alan
 

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True to an extent in our own recent experience Mark. The passing of my partners Mum back in February was made all the more painful for what we were convinced was negligent care leading to her last breath and the few hours following.

Several phonecalls requiring an accurate report of what actually happened we're not forthcoming, I decided to write on my partners behalf to the hospital, a letter of several pages that took time to compose. It was almost THREE months before we got a reply but it was comprehensive and there were acknowledgments of errors made with apologies and assurances that procedures would be reviewed and corrected where necessary. This does nothing for the grief that the family are still going through but one can only hope they are true to their word and others in the future won't suffer in the same manner.

These letters don't go unnoticed and the East Kent Trust are already under scrutiny for poor results and working practices. Every letter of complaint adds to the pressure on those responsible.

Sadly it's the same for Alan, a formal complaint in writing is a must but won't help his own suffering but may help those in the future. As has already been said, change your GP practice even if it means travelling out of your local area, if that proves to be a problem, write to your local mp.

Good luck Alan
Sorry to hear that John, grief is not an easy thing. Your letter did get a response albeit after 3 months but imagine how many phone calls that would have taken, hanging on the phone for hours waiting for them to pick up and then you hear nothing back at all. Sometimes a letter just cuts it, I had a recent episode of it with my local surgery, never picked up the phone, never got a result, I wrote a fairly stiff letter to the Doctor personally and got it all sorted in a matter of days. It also helped that I have a sister in the NHS, she knew how to push the right buttons and say the right things but the letter was the trick.
That's why I suggested it to Whitty who seems to have a lot of problems getting the right responses for his son and himself, it may work or it may not but worth a try. A lot of people don't think of a letter in these circumstances, we have all been conditioned to on-line and phones, we are being distanced as much as they can get away with but, it is not good enough and doesn't work for the patient all the time, it works for them and not us and I think they are losing sight of what they are there for sometimes.
 

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I'm sorry gents but this notion that GP's have not been seeing anybody because of Covid is just plain nonsense....as is the idea that because they are not seeing people face to face they are sitting there doing nowt with their feet up. That's ill informed rubbish.....Mrs S works in a GP surgery and they have been seeing people who need to be seen throughout and are rushed off their feet every single day.

As in all things some practices/GPs are better than others but you could say the same about any profession.
I don't think they are doing nothing, I know they are busy but they are neglecting people who need the most help.
My sister worked in a GP practice and now a hospital and she was appalled at what I had told her about my recent responses from my local GP practice post serious operation as I am which was basically nothing. I was fobbed off with no spaces today ring back tomorrow several times, then advised to use a complicated on line booking system that told me the same thing, try again tomorrow, I then was giving some codes to use by a receptionist that took me holding a phone twice for 15-30 mins. The code did not work, still doesn't in fact their on-line system just kept me going in circles. This went on for a bout 2 weeks and I am seriously ill and they knew that. I was in no fit state to deal with this but I had to because they made me.
The letter with a little help from my sister who was appalled at all this got a result but it should have never have got to that, covid or no covid. Its not their fault it is covid, we are busy, no its not, its their very bad system, poor recalcitrant obstructive receptionists and we come before the patient, nothing to do with covid.

What grieved me with all this was I was being sidelined for people with a headache, a bunion. I and all like me should be given a priority number too ring for a period and the surgery/doctor responds to those quickly, he will have to make time for those with the priority and seriously ill or post serious operation, skip all the faff rigmorale of triage, cueing up to get a phone answered, I think I was over 30 in line several times and all that. I suggested this but they were all to effing stupid to think it might be a good idea, too busy, covid fff as whitty would say.
 
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I've had occasions when GP's/local medical centre have infuriated me such as, at Christmas, pressuring me to have in-patient tests at a hospital at the height of the second wave ( I took a look at the ward and fled in fear), prescribing unsuitable meds that induced an achilles tendonopathy that put me on my back for 2 weeks and could have ruptured it. But over lockdown, I had numerous telephone consultations, a few face-to-face appointments when I pushed for them, twice was sent links to submit photos to help diagnosis, continued to have all my complicated meds prescribed on time, had referrals to specialists and hospital departments....... I met a couple of unhelpful staff at various levels, but feel I got pretty good continuity of treatment, given the pandemic. A particular complaint may be entirely valid, but I don't think it helps to lambast a whole profession or occupation, whether in health, police or local government. Statements to the effect that "they" are all this or all that just show impatience with details. It's unlikely, despite the temptation to claim it, that we are the only people in the world who do/did a job well.

There's often a context beyond the individual. I've mentored over ten years - best way I can put it - a young person who has needed a lot of care and treatment for deep-seated mental health problems and doesn't have parental support in it. The difficulties navigating the system and chasing down actual treatment sometimes pushes me to the limit, and I have bent a few ears, one way or another. But it's also true that the service is threadbare, woefully underfunded, endlessly re-organised to make it more efficient, sorry, cheaper, and leaves even the most committed of staff mired in confusion and miscommunication, with more work than they can shake a stick at. By all means call out shoddy work, but lets remember we generally get the services we're prepared to fund.
 

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We do indeed Kev. I know of at least 9 people who have either changed or are about to change their local GP. That does not include my wife, me and my daughter. I know that there are excellent GP's doing an invaluable job and if you are fortunate enough to be able to access such then good for you. Are the following reasonable examples of appropriate GP care and knowledge. They refer to different practices in different parts of the NW.

A Practice which no longer provides any maternity advice at all and refers a newly pregnant woman to the midwifery dept of a local hospital which is itself closed until September at the earliest.

A practice which offers no advice on having a covid vaccination when pregnant merely referring the patient to the NHS website and not to have one now. The patient on attending another midwifery dept was told to have a jab asap and not to delay until the second trimester.

A practice which advices a patient with high blood pressure, a history of TIA's and who is long overdue for a review and blood pressure test, to go and buy a monitor, take readings and let the surgery know. The patient couldn't afford to buy one and would not have known how to properly use it.

A practice which forgets to provide a covid jab urgently to a 92 year old man and when reminded, fail to attend for a home visit because they are busy.

A practice which loses the written authority to allow named family members to enquire and obtain details of medical condition and proposed treatment. Said practice were rude and intransigent until they belatedly found the papers.

All rhetorical questions to which I don't expect an answer. I find them all unacceptable.

I accept that a pandemic imposes new and difficult logistical issues but that is not an excuse for lack of care. There are thousands of people who have not been properly diagnosed or referred for scans and for whom those omissions could prove fatal. I also accept that there are good and bad in all professions but negligence has to be paid for and why indemnity cover is usually mandatory. I do not condone for a second being rude or abusive to surgery staff as they have a difficult job to do but certain receptionists who are not medically qualified try the patience of those who are ill, worried and who try hard to be patient when ringing and who resent, quite rightly being fobbed off.

There is no doubt that GP's have a poor public image but I see little being done to address this and to improve a deteriorating perception.
 
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