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Richard always seemed a decent enough lad when I was talking to him. However, I, and I suspect the others I know that were talking to him, didn't expect their tips and advice to be regurgitated on a website in pursuit of "fame" and money. I'll bet that a few folks, that might previously just have been tight lipped about exact locations, will now be a little more circumspect about methods and baits too.
 

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Richard always seemed a decent enough lad when I was talking to him. However, I, and I suspect the others I know that were talking to him, didn't expect their tips and advice to be regurgitated on a website in pursuit of "fame" and money. I'll bet that a few folks, that might previously just have been tight lipped about exact locations, will now be a little more circumspect about methods and baits too.

I fell for a similar thing Sam. A few years ago I received a PM from a guy on BFW asking for advice on locating barbel on the Dearne. He gave a sob story about being ill and not being mobile, etc. so I gave him some tips on locations that I really should have kept to myself. Turns out he'd also contacted three or four other Dearne regulars with the same approach and received advice from the that had been hard won. Next thing is this guy is using the advice given to bolster his own on-line presence via his blog. He hadn't managed to locate a barbel in his home river after thirty years of fishing and suddenly he was a barbel hero! :rolleyes:
 

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What language is this?
try google translate.:D
I apologise in advance about my poor english.
kind regards

Wes, do yourself a favour and buy a couple of books. I would suggest Barbel, A lifetimes addiction by Trefor West, Understanding Barbel by Fred Crouch and A Quest for Barbel by West and Miles as a good starting point, when you have read them go on to the barbel catchers books and then The Fighting Barbel by Peter Wheat then tell me how much you really learned from the charlatans blog.

As for your last two questions I have nothing to sell and no trumpet to blow so I don't need a blog and I fished at Hazelford for several seasons where I discovered barbel prefer the yellow jelly babies, probably because they stand out better.

Thanks for the book recommendations mate! They genuinely sound great, cheers for that.
I have been reading the Penguin Guide to fishing (1966 paperback) as a general purpose reference which is both light to carry and fits into my tackle bag (£3 sharston books) I like all fishing and have some great Barbel waters close by, the thing is everything I'm likely to learn about Barbel (which I'm new to and finding out is specialist, can be expensive and unfortunately brings out the worst in some people) will come via the experience and time spent on the river banks.

At the moment getting out there as much as I can and actually seeing what works and what doesn't for myself really is all i can speak about, had some cracking Barbel out of my local rivers amongst other fish when the time of year fairs best for targetting them (basically a good balance of experience and anecdote as there are some basics that are essential when Barbel fishing) most authors have a good level of experience of what worked for them using specific items and unique variables including weather that are rarely repeatable imho (same goes for this chaps blog, he fishes the trent, I don't or haven't had the chance yet but know bits about it), what works for some doesn't always work for others which is why I am not taken in by next Tuesdays painfully trendy new barbel bait that carries a price (3FT or otherwise the other thousand silver bullets).
I catch using imitation baits and anything cheap that I judge myself to have some basic attraction to Barbel, at the moment because I cannot afford the real thing (3FT lol) and it seems to be working ok but again bait is only a percentage of what brings success.
I am trying to gather as much information on cheap natural Barbel baits like snail and worm (which he covered) and your book reccomendation will I'm sure, I will be trying them soon so I get it mate really I do, loose lips sink ships, but I won't let that over shadow his promotion and advice regarding natural baits which he has done, its served its purpose, a good taster or suitable introduction to a newby like me, which I felt was helpful and had some value.
Also regarding water craft on his blog was obviously going to be far more easily accessible with todays technology and a bit of free WiFi than ordering a book (I do like books though) this was the valuable part I took interest in, a subject that the local river will ultimately dictate and is hard to master or document properly without experiments or tangible experience.
I'm only passing through, sifting through alot of stuff which it seems is often repeated or which can be learn't quite quickly, When Ive got 30 years fishing under my belt I might write about it myself, but I would essentially only be repeating what others with even more knowledge have already.
The earliest sources of info on the internet I come across will always contain the landmines of personal opinion as far as the author or others judgement upon him sees fit especially if its a blog that I enjoyed without the knowledge of the author. Can't be bothered with it though mate, I don't want to know what the authors of the books are like in real life as its the fishing help I seek.

Enjoy your fishing.

Thanks also for the bait recommendation of jelly babies, Will the Tesco brand suffice?
Have you watched the totally awesome fishing video on YT about catching carp on all parts of a roast dinner bar the gravy? it gave me a chuckle anyway.
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I fell for a similar thing Sam. A few years ago I received a PM from a guy on BFW asking for advice on locating barbel on the Dearne. He gave a sob story about being ill and not being mobile, etc. so I gave him some tips on locations that I really should have kept to myself. Turns out he'd also contacted three or four other Dearne regulars with the same approach and received advice from the that had been hard won. Next thing is this guy is using the advice given to bolster his own on-line presence via his blog. He hadn't managed to locate a barbel in his home river after thirty years of fishing and suddenly he was a barbel hero! :rolleyes:

I can think of a similar example in local chub fishing circles.....
 

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I'll look out for those videos on the tube Wes, they sound good.

The jelly baby test is one I have applied to several prolific waters for both carp and barbel, if I can catch on jelly babies I usually consider I've cracked the venue and it's time to move on and find a new challenge.

When I'm on a new carp or barbel water I usually start with good old luncheon meat, it's versatile, cheap and easy to find and because virtually everyone uses it the fish are used to seeing it and you don't have to pre bait to get the fish onto it. Some people call it the pink barbel scarer but there has probably been more barbel caught on that bait than all the others put together. If you keep your eye open in B&M you can sometimes find the 1.75Kg tins for under a fiver, use what you want and freeze the rest.
 

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One might assume that a "rubbish bait" is something that catches nothing? So if it catches fish it can't be rubbish?

I'm pretty confident that given a rising river with fresh water running in it amid a nice spell of low air pressure, I can catch barbel on torn pieces of tramps vest.

This also begs the question how long will it be before I start to see "Tramps Vest" flavoured boilees on my local tackle shop shelves?
 

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I'll look out for those videos on the tube Wes, they sound good.

The jelly baby test is one I have applied to several prolific waters for both carp and barbel, if I can catch on jelly babies I usually consider I've cracked the venue and it's time to move on and find a new challenge.

When I'm on a new carp or barbel water I usually start with good old luncheon meat, it's versatile, cheap and easy to find and because virtually everyone uses it the fish are used to seeing it and you don't have to pre bait to get the fish onto it. Some people call it the pink barbel scarer but there has probably been more barbel caught on that bait than all the others put together. If you keep your eye open in B&M you can sometimes find the 1.75Kg tins for under a fiver, use what you want and freeze the rest.

Thanks for the tip Titus :) we have a B&M near us, I always try to buy in bulk with the other hobbies (try to avoid the false economy) same with my hemp, just could not keep up with the cost of single frozen bags from the tackle shop this season, good stuff but the cost mounted up, then I found out how to cook my own in the slow cooker from petshop bought bags or 25kg bulkies, thats my biggest limitation at the moment, funds.

Have you much experience targeting Barbel using lobworm and de-shelled snails during floods/length spells of rain? Do you rate them alongside say luncheon meat or hallibut pellet for example.

From experience/opinion what do you think is the best free bait for the autumn?

Have you ever caught a Barbel using a sultana/large raisin as bait?


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[/COLOR]I've caught plenty on lobs but never got round to trying snails but, the koi in my pond love them and home in on them as soon as they hear me crack the shells on the side of the pond, I can't see barbel being any different.

When fishing lobs just remember that everything in the river eats them, a friend of mine holds the record for a flounder which was caught on a lob on our syndicate stretch of the Severn which is a couple of miles below Worcester and 30 miles from the sea, he has also had a shad on the same bait. I've never used a sultana as bait but I have caught chub on malt loaf so that is close.

If I was restricted to only one bait for the rest of my life I would choose lobs, as for the best free bait it has to be whatever I can scrounge of my mate.
 

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A flounder/ shad syndicate ! Any spaces for a guy who enjoys rolling his meat into interesting crevices ( or would they be crevii ?) Sounds good, isn't it !:)
 

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Im not feeling the.love for richy easom here guys :)
I personaly have got on with him when weve spoken on the old facebook
If any of you guys had never asked questions about fishing related things my bet is you wouldnt have learnt an awful lot as you now know a.d how many of us would still be persuing our sport.
. Ok so now he is making mo.ey from what he has learnt well i say good luck to the guy if any one of you had done the same wohld you be saying the things above i for one wouldnt.oh and good luck to hjs daughter who is hving an operation this week. Everykne has their opinio.s and thats cool this is just mine not digging at anyone just putting my side over.

As for nuisance species also mentioned above,thjs year me and my 2 fishing buddies decided to go for the barbel and lets just say its not gone to well lol but on the plus side i did catch a lovely roach arou.d a pound on a lump of meat and my m8 has has several larve chub a.d guess what each fish made us smile.

Something else also mentioned above was bfw how some guy got so much info out of people on there i dont know i only asked fkr some.day ticket stretcbes and.got told look for yourself really hellful bunch i didnt find needless to say i vacated and never went back

Enjoy your fishing guys no matter what your after

Andy
 

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Im not feeling the.love for richy easom here guys :)
I personaly have got on with him when weve spoken on the old facebook
If any of you guys had never asked questions about fishing related things my bet is you wouldnt have learnt an awful lot as you now know a.d how many of us would still be persuing our sport.
. Ok so now he is making mo.ey from what he has learnt well i say good luck to the guy if any one of you had done the same wohld you be saying the things above i for one wouldnt.oh and good luck to hjs daughter who is hving an operation this week. Everykne has their opinio.s and thats cool this is just mine not digging at anyone just putting my side over.

As for nuisance species also mentioned above,thjs year me and my 2 fishing buddies decided to go for the barbel and lets just say its not gone to well lol but on the plus side i did catch a lovely roach arou.d a pound on a lump of meat and my m8 has has several larve chub a.d guess what each fish made us smile.

Something else also mentioned above was bfw how some guy got so much info out of people on there i dont know i only asked fkr some.day ticket stretcbes and.got told look for yourself really hellful bunch i didnt find needless to say i vacated and never went back

Enjoy your fishing guys no matter what your after

Andy




Lots of information is exchanged on there some by forum posts some by PM, if you had tried to find information yourself and said so in your post you may have received a better response. To many anglers nowadays want everything on a plate and are not prepared to put the work in, work that is much easier with the advent of the internet than it ever was before.

Why should anglers give up information that has been in some cases hard won just because someone asks? seems to me that sort of thing has gone on with someone becoming an overnight bait expert after getting information from others.
 

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As for nuisance species also mentioned above,thjs year me and my 2 fishing buddies decided to go for the barbel and lets just say its not gone to well lol but on the plus side i did catch a lovely roach arou.d a pound on a lump of meat and my m8 has has several larve chub a.d guess what each fish made us smile.


Andy

You are the only one who has mentioned 'nuisance' species Andy.
Personally I'm happy every time the tip goes round or the float goes under, whatever the species.


Russell, I'll put your name on the waiting list but one black ball from any member and it'll be a no I'm afraid.
 

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[/COLOR]I've caught plenty on lobs but never got round to trying snails but, the koi in my pond love them and home in on them as soon as they hear me crack the shells on the side of the pond, I can't see barbel being any different.

When fishing lobs just remember that everything in the river eats them, a friend of mine holds the record for a flounder which was caught on a lob on our syndicate stretch of the Severn which is a couple of miles below Worcester and 30 miles from the sea, he has also had a shad on the same bait. I've never used a sultana as bait but I have caught chub on malt loaf so that is close.

If I was restricted to only one bait for the rest of my life I would choose lobs, as for the best free bait it has to be whatever I can scrounge of my mate.

Thanks Titus, worm has caught me most of the river species I know locally accept Barbel :eek: and the river Carp but we only get to see them in summer for some reason, no successes yet on the snail at all but I've been holding back till we have had a suitable amount of rain, which is best for both their collection (as with slugs to which I hear is a great chub bait) and quantity which can then hopefully be used to bait areas up with properly or get the fish used to them again in quantity (I'm not convinced its a bait used very often in my neck of the woods).

I can get lob worm in quantity from turning the soil in veg beds over in the garden and reds & tiger from the leafmould piles & compost so I'm learning its quite a handy bait (I've heard& seen Pike tempted by large worm in canals).
I will persevere with Worm/s and Snail for now, continuing still to buy my occassional pellets when I can afford them from my local tackleshop (I have had my own shop before (food) and I know only to well how the rates applied to having a shop in a good location has to be recovered somehow, I can appreciate its a tricky balance to get right but I'm also unemployed so have to think about the cheap or free alternatives now more often) bulk luncheon meat I will defo keep an eye out for.

I still don't see the whole Richard Easom is the devil type thing, is it really not about his successes if that is what he originally set out to achieve? Its his choice of where he wishes to be, I doubt he is bothered by the opinions of others (I'm of the opinion he is starting to look like the Barbel he is catching) so had he been he wouldn't have the skin thick enough to carve out the niche he has, he had to tick all the prerequisites to get to where he has, catching regularly, catching large fish, firstly to get info on where to find them (which was freely given by others first and is available still by more "others") and have a means of promoting his successes (in this case the internet is the preferred choice) using bait and advice from others as a vehicle, its called capitalism on a shoe string, its the exit from fun hobby fishing into the aggressive world of successful bussiness & good financial ethics (now there is an oxymoron).
I lost my business simply because I was to weak amongst my competitors to survive once I got there, simple as that (which is still a blind area for Richard at present as he will have to shift a few units of 3FT to survive, meeting everyone on the way down if he doesn't so to speak) I just think its a bit unfair to hinge all the hate on something that a collection of people who admit they should know better, helped to create in the first place.
Everyone in this country is to some degree, having their best traits used against them, most people are ignorant of that fact, all the while the kettle calls the pot black.

Why should anglers give up information that has been in some cases hard won just because someone asks? seems to me that sort of thing has gone on with someone becoming an overnight bait expert after getting information from others.

Fair question. The answer is that they don't have to but most often will because its being helpful and this prevails amongst fishermen (a good trait) and I welcome it, appreciate it and must always respect it.
All my (limited) knowledge away from the bank has come via research that has come from someone else, someone who has found stuff out before me and made it available to me by their own choice to for want of me finding it and benefiting from it (free on the bank or bought in the bookshop) I doubt any of it past the basics will be better than my own experiences over time as already mentioned there are to many variables to say for sure you will catch "here" using this rod,line,bait etc unless it can be repeated and shown to be (which most often it cannot be for any extended period on any single water imho which is why its called fishing not catching).
Sometimes for reasons so we can learn and become up to date a lot quicker (books/internet/forums/blogs of in person etc all do this anyway), its how you use that information, Easom has obviously set out to use it to make a lasting income from it, you and I could be doing that also but we choose not to, unless he has promised not to kiss and tell as it were then fair enough but I doubt it, anything else is just a bit of self styled righteousness or plain envy.
Why should we even care? Can you imagine everyone never saying anything apart from pleasantries on the bank like "nice day" "yes nice day" and nothing more than a nod, all suspicious and Orwellian?
Looks like Easom knows Barbel in a certain river in certain swims will take just about anything so uses that information to deliver and promote specific baits which factually he knows are actually likely to catch if thats all you are likely to be casting out there, that looks more like a business niche to me, why should I take that personally unless he has more success using my own information or knowledge than I do myself? His blog isn't purely for promoting his baits either, he can't make you buy them can he?
 
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Thanks Titus, worm has caught me most of the river species I know locally accept Barbel :eek: and the river Carp but we only get to see them in summer for some reason, no successes yet on the snail at all but I've been holding back till we have had a suitable amount of rain, which is best for both their collection (as with slugs to which I hear is a great chub bait) and quantity which can then hopefully be used to bait areas up with properly or get the fish used to them again in quantity (I'm not convinced its a bait used very often in my neck of the woods).

I can get lob worm in quantity from turning the soil in veg beds over in the garden and reds & tiger from the leafmould piles & compost so I'm learning its quite a handy bait (I've heard& seen Pike tempted by large worm in canals).
I will persevere with Worm/s and Snail for now, continuing still to buy my occassional pellets when I can afford them from my local tackleshop (I have had my own shop before (food) and I know only to well how the rates applied to having a shop in a good location has to be recovered somehow, I can appreciate its a tricky balance to get right but I'm also unemployed so have to think about the cheap or free alternatives now more often) bulk luncheon meat I will defo keep an eye out for.

I still don't see the whole Richard Easom is the devil type thing, is it really not about his successes if that is what he originally set out to achieve? Its his choice of where he wishes to be, I doubt he is bothered by the opinions of others (I'm of the opinion he is starting to look like the Barbel he is catching) so had he been he wouldn't have the skin thick enough to carve out the niche he has, he had to tick all the prerequisites to get to where he has, catching regularly, catching large fish, firstly to get info on where to find them (which was freely given by others first and is available still by more "others") and have a means of promoting his successes (in this case the internet is the preferred choice) using bait and advice from others as a vehicle, its called capitalism on a shoe string, its the exit from fun hobby fishing into the aggressive world of successful bussiness & good financial ethics (now there is an oxymoron).
I lost my business simply because I was to weak amongst my competitors to survive once I got there, simple as that (which is still a blind area for Richard at present as he will have to shift a few units of 3FT to survive, meeting everyone on the way down if he doesn't so to speak) I just think its a bit unfair to hinge all the hate on something that a collection of people who admit they should know better, helped to create in the first place.
Everyone in this country is to some degree, having their best traits used against them, most people are ignorant of that fact, all the while the kettle calls the pot black.



Fair question. The answer is that they don't have to but most often will because its being helpful and this prevails amongst fishermen (a good trait) and I welcome it, appreciate it and must always respect it.
All my (limited) knowledge away from the bank has come via research that has come from someone else, someone who has found stuff out before me and made it available to me by their own choice to for want of me finding it and benefiting from it (free on the bank or bought in the bookshop) I doubt any of it past the basics will be better than my own experiences over time as already mentioned there are to many variables to say for sure you will catch "here" using this rod,line,bait etc unless it can be repeated and shown to be (which most often it cannot be for any extended period on any single water imho which is why its called fishing not catching).
Sometimes for reasons so we can learn and become up to date a lot quicker (books/internet/forums/blogs of in person etc all do this anyway), its how you use that information, Easom has obviously set out to use it to make a lasting income from it, you and I could be doing that also but we choose not to, unless he has promised not to kiss and tell as it were then fair enough but I doubt it, anything else is just a bit of self styled righteousness or plain envy.
Why should we even care? Can you imagine everyone never saying anything apart from pleasantries on the bank like "nice day" "yes nice day" and nothing more than a nod, all suspicious and Orwellian?
Looks like Easom knows Barbel in a certain river in certain swims will take just about anything so uses that information to deliver and promote specific baits which factually he knows are actually likely to catch if thats all you are likely to be casting out there, that looks more like a business niche to me, why should I take that personally unless he has more success using my own information or knowledge than I do myself? His blog isn't purely for promoting his baits either, he can't make you buy them can he?



Your last question is easily answered, I will never buy anything from this company.

There is a lot of history between Mr Easom and some anglers, some of these anglers are people I have respect for and if you knew about some of the things that have happened in the past you might understand some of the ill feelings towards him. Does he care? oh yes I would say so going on some of the things that have gone on in the past. None of the things I know of will be posted on here but if you are really interested I will PM you.
 

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I know nothing of the issues re the 'names' mentioned in this thread and I'm happy to remain ignorant in that respect.
I do value the information, ideas and advice I can glean from reading articles with a variety of opinions. In truth I've frequently found that fish of all species are only too ready to ignore the right method, or bait, or rig inter alia; and never take the trouble to read the best books even when it's all about them.
But for me it keeps me thinking and I enjoy that. Hope to keep at it for some time yet. Occasionally I feel it appropriate to offer others my opinion. I don't expect anyone to follow what I say. To be fair it's very likely the best advice I can offer is almost certainly passing on tips I was given by others. For which I thank you.
I'm not on any other fishing forum (neither time nor motivation) and only read a blog when it's googled in relation to something I want to find out. Often the most informed articles are on club websites where the experience of others is more generously offered and perhaps more respectfully received. Thanks to you too.
I won't be expecting any reparation or glory by releasing my own wonder bait but for 'suffolk barbel by far the most reliable bait is flouro pinkie. Fished just about any method you want it will catch in decent numbers without picking out the real specimens of 2oz or more. A lovely species. The best looking of our resident fish by far and if they grew to 10lbs I can't imagine why anyone would fish for anything else.

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I know nothing of the issues re the 'names' mentioned in this thread and I'm happy to remain ignorant in that respect.
I do value the information, ideas and advice I can glean from reading articles with a variety of opinions. In truth I've frequently found that fish of all species are only too ready to ignore the right method, or bait, or rig inter alia; and never take the trouble to read the best books even when it's all about them.
But for me it keeps me thinking and I enjoy that. Hope to keep at it for some time yet. Occasionally I feel it appropriate to offer others my opinion. I don't expect anyone to follow what I say. To be fair it's very likely the best advice I can offer is almost certainly passing on tips I was given by others. For which I thank you.
I'm not on any other fishing forum (neither time nor motivation) and only read a blog when it's googled in relation to something I want to find out. Often the most informed articles are on club websites where the experience of others is more generously offered and perhaps more respectfully received. Thanks to you too.
I won't be expecting any reparation or glory by releasing my own wonder bait but for 'suffolk barbel by far the most reliable bait is flouro pinkie. Fished just about any method you want it will catch in decent numbers without picking out the real specimens of 2oz or more. A lovely species. The best looking of our resident fish by far and if they grew to 10lbs I can't imagine why anyone would fish for anything else.

Believe nothing
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Even if I say
unless it agrees with your own reason
and your own common sense
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What "names" who mentioned names?
 
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