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What ho PoshPaul
Bill's daughter is called Ruth - Bill still fishes - she told me that a few weeks ago he parked his car on a grass bank in the mud, decided to move it and all he managed to do was slide it towards the water. In the end he had to get someone to tow his out :) And then the bailif tried to charge him.

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Wolfman Woody

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As said about Ray Mumford - "Ray had a prickly reputation ... " and not half! As was also said he was a champion of the close season, well it went much further than that really.

He used to phone me on a fairly regular basis, maybe twice or three times a year. During one conversation he started hammering the people who had spoken against the close season and when I say "hammering", I mean it was a tyrade of verbal abuse.

Then he found out I was one of them.... End of phone calls.

I remember Cyril Inwood and Peter Thomas. And who was that guy who wrote "In Search of Big Fish" and edited "Big Fish Scene"?
 
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Cyril Inwood was the supreme reservoir fly fisherman, either from bank or boat. Big lures where not for him; he, along with Arthur Cove, pioneered the effective use of imitative flies and nymphs on still water.

**** Walker once said of Cyril that he was the best still water flyfisherman.

And he was no slouch on rivers either. His catches of big seatrout from his beloved River Conway in Wales became legendary.

That would be our Frank Jeff.
 
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M'Lord,

Do check with the Honorable Miss Ruth whether her good father ensured that the little oik who tried to embezzle her papa was properly dealt with by his man.

I remember his book with great fondness - I will have to check with my archivist if she can locate my copy as she works on my covers.

Chin Chin
 
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Terry Comerford

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Lloyd Davies.
Ron Lees.
Pete Plant.
Great Midlands match stars of the 70/80's
 
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Richard Drayson

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Lots of names from the past, some well known some not so... anyone remember Ollie Kite, Owen Wentworth, David Carl Forbes?
 
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)

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Major Oliver Kite who fished the Upper Wilts Avon with the upstream nymph. He wrote some lovely articles and books, but like Skues, was castigated by the "dray flay" purists.

Owen Wentworth fished the Dorset Stour and caught vast numbers of 2lb roach near Wimbourne Minster. But remember it was the brilliance of the waters that contributed to his fame.

David Carl Forbes, a lovely man with an incisive pen who produced many great articles in the 60s. His book: "Catch a Big Fish" is very rare and commands high prices.

I have never heard of the 3 people you mention Terry, but that's because I was never into match fishing.

And Monk, how can you compare a nymph with a rampantly ugly ruffe slapper?
 

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So Fred Blake believes I can add something to this debate on the lesser known anglers of times past. OK, challenge accepted but I hope you realise I?m missing Emmerdale to pen this contribution.

Some of these guys I?ve never heard of ? Shepherson, Leary, Manns and Cutler ? but the remainder I know of well, albeit through their writing (with a few exceptions). There must be quite a few guys like me who are approaching retirement and who have collected and kept hundreds of magazines from the sixties through to the eighties. The writers then were different in many ways from today?s authors. But I suppose that?s a reflection of the times, they being times of innovation, necessity and the absence of big carp on demand.

Not only did I collect the magazines but I also catalogued many of them (yes I am a sad old bugger), but it does mean I can rattle off a load of angling writers that have probably now turned up their toes: Chris Binyon (fantastically funny stories), Stewart Allum (mostly chub), Barry Brill (fishing in Ireland), John carding (southern match circuit), Terry Housego, Bill Lovett (carp), Brian morland (Countryman?s diary) John Sidley (giant eels to the exclusion of all else) and Bill Winship (pike) to name a few.

Incidentally I?ve just picked up a pile of ?Fishing? mags that were to hand and there is Ronald Clay himself penning a piece in the August 1967 edition (yours for 2/6d) about the variability of a pike?s fight.

Anyhow back to the question posed by Ron:

Bill Keal was an editor on the Times (not the Angling Times). He lived in north London, not far from the famous Cheshunt reservoir, which now sadly is filled in, and built upon. He and Jack Hilton were fairly close neighbours and the pair really were innovative fishermen. Bill moved to Woolhampton and sadly was killed in the small hours after returning home from Fleet Street. I remember going to a party at his house and all the ?names? were there: Fred Wagstaff, Bob Reynolds, David Carl Forbes, Phil England, Des Soper and many other good but unknown anglers. One of Bill?s unfulfilled ambitions was to float down the great central/eastern European rivers in a tractor inner-tube, fishing plug and natural baits for giant pike and catfish. Now that would have been something.

I bumped into Ray Mumford a few times around the Walton and Kingston stretches of the Thames. He was in fact known familiarly as the ?Kingston Pixie?. He was much maligned by the angling press, quite undeservedly as it was he who pioneered pole fishing, organised the first international matches and was a specimen hunter of great ability until he turned to match fishing. He also came second in one of the very early Pike Championships at Thorpe Park (I was six pegs away from him) with a bag of five moderately sized fish. He also wrote a short article published in Creel on skimming slivers of potato across the river to get under overhanging branches

Cyril Inwood, although remembered for his pioneering tactics on the newly opened large reservoirs, was not so well known for his large bags of tench, mainly taken by mass feeding maggots, when everyone else was using lobs, corn and bread. I believe he frequently fished with Bob Church.

Well that?s a lot from me but I?ll finish off by pointing out that the oldies still produce the goods. From those heady days we still have of course Graham but also Barrie Rickards, Mike Winter, Jim Gibbinson, Dave Steuart and John Bailey plus many more.
 
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And Monk, how can you compare a nymph with a rampantly ugly ruffe slapper?

similar animals mate


I remember old Dave Steuart , I have the book carp by dave part of the Angling Times how to catch them series, David Marlborough too an early member of the National Anguilla Club. I was a great fan of Chris Binyon and his writings with barrie the hat, sadly we lost Chris a few years ago, Still have a book by Gordon Wood, Gordon was founder of the Barbel Catchers, also like manchester own Cliff Parker, a great writer, got all his books
 
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Owen Wentworth fished the Dorset Stour and caught vast numbers of 2lb roach near Wimbourne Minster. But remember it was the brilliance of the waters that contributed to his fame.

That's right, but I think he also had some fame for big grayling which came from the river Allen. Or was that Peter Wheat? (BTW, Ron, it's Wimborne, without the 'u.')

Green Drake couldn't be more right about Ray Mumford. He used to call AT and moan. I was one of few there that would give him the time of day, partly because Mac Campbell explained how important Ray had been to the development of many aspects of fishing. He did make a nuisance of himself, though. It was a shame, because he was (probably still is) a gifted angler.

I fondly remember Pete Stone, of course.
 
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Thanks for your contribution Green Drake. I get the feeling I know you but I could be wrong - let's have your proper name please?

Now for those no-one seems to have heard of.

Tony Shepherdson was an extremely close friend of **** Walker. A one time chiropodist from Letchworth, he was one of the clan who fished on ****'s stretch of the Upper Ouse. An extremely talented all-round angler, Tony has done it all, from sea fishing for bass and tope, to carp fishing on Redmire. I first met Tony on a fishing holiday in England in 1987, and I first became aware of him from his few articles in Fishing and Angling.

He even spent 3 weeks in SA fishing all over the place in the 80s.

The funny story regarding Tony was when Walker strode into his house one day and proclaimed that his wife had the best pair of tits in Hertfordshire!

Sgt. Dan Leary, to be frank I know little about, suffice to say that he fished the Upper Ouse a great deal and was a friend of RW. He also caught some huge pike.

Laurie Manns is one of the most brilliant English Anglers who ever lived, but chose to keep a low profile. He was a one time member of the Cambridge Pike Group, along with Barrie Rickards, Christine Rickards, Hugh Reynolds and Bill Chillingworth and features in Barrie Rickards and Ray Webb's classic - "Fishing for Big Pike." But Laurie could catch fish out of a bucket of hydrochloric acid.

And finally Frank Cutler. One of the pioneers of the Northants style of fly fishing on the reservoirs. A brilliant fly fisher who also performed well in the early fly fishing matches.
 
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I'm afraid Ray, to my current knowledge, is in a home now, away with the pixies, as they say. He probably couldn't remember now which end of a pole to hold, but his contribution to match fishing is legendary.
 
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA)

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Now let's name two other brilliant anglers who many of you may not have heard of.

Colin Dyson and Derek Gibson.
 

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I'll stay as I am thank you Ron. If I were to say Giant Flemish rabbits would that make your neurons vibrate?

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I knew Green Drake would have something fascinating to say; once you retire Mr Drake you really must write a book.

I was led to believe Ray Mumford passed away a few years ago. I fondly remember his Match Fishing - part of the Step-By-Step series edited by Ken Whitehead. My school library had a rather limited range of fishing books, all of which were read cover-to-cover by me many times. Apart from the full range of Fishing - Step By Step, there was also Brian Clarke's wonderfully pragmatic work 'In Persuit of Stillwater Trout'. This was my favourite, despite never having fished for stillwater trout at the time (I couldn't have afforded to even if I lived near such a fishery, which I didn't).

Some other names you don't hear mentioned much these days: Syd Meads (Fenland bream expert), Barrie Welham (tackle dealer and big trout stalker at Two Lakes), Leslie Moncrieff (sea fishing guru), Peter Mohan (BCSG founder), Allen Edwards (all-round specimen hunter and long-time ACA front man), Dermot Wilson (accomplished game angler and owner of Nether Wallop Mill tackle supplies), Pete Butler (London reservoir roach specialist), Lloyd Gladstone Gough (Avon angler of repute and regular 'Creel' columnist), Reg Righyni (successful game angler and grayling fanatic who compiled a list of all the UK rivers from which he had caught grayling - a list which eventually exceeded 130) and Jim Etherington (another contributor to Fishing As We Find It, as well as the author of a book on chub).

Last but not least Dennis Flack, big dace catcher and the simultaneous holder of three British freshwater records. I sincerely hope he gets that 1lb 5oz dace to make it four.
 

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Editor of Fishing in the early 1960's wasn't he? Had some strange notions about various topics. I have a few copies of that publication knocking about somewhere.
 
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