Who likes Carp
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thecrow
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If anyone has the view that carp anglers are all drunkards with loud voices that smoke weed and have far to much money to spend on tackle and just spend days and days waiting to trap a fish on a rod that is fishing for itself then you really ought to change the waters you are fishing because that's so far from the truth.
Truth be told we all wait to trap a fish whether that's by spending a long time at a water or by tempting them through teasing them by constantly feeding and running a bait in front of them beneath a float.
How many clubs have waters that they would otherwise have lost if it wasn't for the carp anglers that usually pay more than the none carp angler? would the none carp angling member be prepared to pay the extra? knowing how tight anglers are I very much doubt it.
Truth be told we all wait to trap a fish whether that's by spending a long time at a water or by tempting them through teasing them by constantly feeding and running a bait in front of them beneath a float.
How many clubs have waters that they would otherwise have lost if it wasn't for the carp anglers that usually pay more than the none carp angler? would the none carp angling member be prepared to pay the extra? knowing how tight anglers are I very much doubt it.
itsfishingnotcatching
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Spot on Graham, most of the moans about alleged "Carp" anglers probably refer to venues that are badly managed, the current preponderance of carp anglers is, IMHO, more influenced by the match scenario, pole anglers hauling in 3lb fish on 20 elastic and 300lb bags in competitions. There's a pretty prolific 20+ commercial that's local to me, it's only virtue is that it holds some decent Roach, very few who fish there regularly who would even consider targeting them:wh
thecrow
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Another reason for being glad of carpers on a water, other species are left alone to grow on their bait
The bad one
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Sorry I disagree with the comments about carp anglers not being the cause of most of the problems. I've bailiffed for two of the largest clubs in the country over the last 15 years they have a combined 13K membership. the Carp anglers account for 25% in one 33% in the other.
The appearances before the committee in the 25% club for rule breaking runs at 8 carpers (C) to 1 other (O) anglers. Proportionately it should be 1 C to 4 O given the demography of the club make up. The offences in both clubs range from leaving litter, Sh1tting on the banks and leaving it (even on waters where toilets are provided), beer swilling, dope smoking, abusing threatening fellow members. Using stoves on waters where they are not allowed, etc, etc………
In the 33% club it much higher around 12-14 to 1
Offenders in both clubs are always asked what type of fishing they do, if it’s not reported in the bailiff’s report.
That’s a very large data set compiled over many years by both clubs, so don’t tell carp anglers aren’t disproportionately responsible for the vast majority of rule breaking.
So don't give me carp anglers are being picked on, boo, hoo, hoo! They are their own worst enemies!
If you want respect then sort out your own instead of thinking pulling strokes is something to be admired, revered, It ain’t!!!!!
Several of my mates who are carp anglers of 40 -50 years standing, have said to me on more than one occasion, the newer young carpers these days are in the main morons and idiots and ruining the fishing they love. Several of them are that hacked off with their antics, that they no longer go carp fishing.
Further more some of these idiots are turning to barbel fishing because they’ve failed at carp fishing (Failed Carp Anglers) and are bring their bad ways onto the rivers.
The appearances before the committee in the 25% club for rule breaking runs at 8 carpers (C) to 1 other (O) anglers. Proportionately it should be 1 C to 4 O given the demography of the club make up. The offences in both clubs range from leaving litter, Sh1tting on the banks and leaving it (even on waters where toilets are provided), beer swilling, dope smoking, abusing threatening fellow members. Using stoves on waters where they are not allowed, etc, etc………
In the 33% club it much higher around 12-14 to 1
Offenders in both clubs are always asked what type of fishing they do, if it’s not reported in the bailiff’s report.
That’s a very large data set compiled over many years by both clubs, so don’t tell carp anglers aren’t disproportionately responsible for the vast majority of rule breaking.
So don't give me carp anglers are being picked on, boo, hoo, hoo! They are their own worst enemies!
If you want respect then sort out your own instead of thinking pulling strokes is something to be admired, revered, It ain’t!!!!!
Several of my mates who are carp anglers of 40 -50 years standing, have said to me on more than one occasion, the newer young carpers these days are in the main morons and idiots and ruining the fishing they love. Several of them are that hacked off with their antics, that they no longer go carp fishing.
Further more some of these idiots are turning to barbel fishing because they’ve failed at carp fishing (Failed Carp Anglers) and are bring their bad ways onto the rivers.
thecrow
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They might be on waters controlled by the to clubs you don't mention Phil my experience has been just the opposite, of course there is always the odd idiot but you are old and experienced enough to know that its not just carpers that pull strokes and some well know anglers have pulled some that have not only put the fishing of others in danger but more importantly the fish so perhaps not tarring the majority with a brush that should only be applied to a minority should be the way to go?
sam vimes
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No doubting that there are plenty of spanners out there that consider themselves carpers. I find that the better value the waters or the more high profile the waters, the greater the number of spanners there'll be. There are plenty of very accessible day ticket waters and plenty of high profile waters that I'd not be seen dead on. I don't want to be associated with such shenanigans. All I have a problem with is the generalisations being made. Regardless of there being plenty of spanners, not all carpers are the mallet wielding, drunk/drugged yobs that some make them out to be.
The carp waters I fish are populated by a huge majority of decent normal blokes. Not all of them are my cup of tea, but there isn't anyone I'd go out of my way to avoid. Many, perhaps not the majority, are not just carpers. More than the odd one barely fish for the carp (unfortunate, as non-carp returns are rather poor) .However, the average age is probably about forty. It's only that low due to one eighteen year old and a couple of thirty somethings. I don't believe that a single member owns a mallet. I've never encountered any evidence of drug taking. A few are known to like a drink or two, but I've not seen anything silly.
If anyone genuinely believe that all carpers fit the stereotypes, you are on the wrong waters. If that's all you meet, then you aren't likely to meet the good guys, they'll be giving the waters a wide berth.
The carp waters I fish are populated by a huge majority of decent normal blokes. Not all of them are my cup of tea, but there isn't anyone I'd go out of my way to avoid. Many, perhaps not the majority, are not just carpers. More than the odd one barely fish for the carp (unfortunate, as non-carp returns are rather poor) .However, the average age is probably about forty. It's only that low due to one eighteen year old and a couple of thirty somethings. I don't believe that a single member owns a mallet. I've never encountered any evidence of drug taking. A few are known to like a drink or two, but I've not seen anything silly.
If anyone genuinely believe that all carpers fit the stereotypes, you are on the wrong waters. If that's all you meet, then you aren't likely to meet the good guys, they'll be giving the waters a wide berth.
Spanners in most forms of angling,get on the Trent for the fireworks on first night,being inconsiderate is my main point of contention,which many carpers(by no means all mind)are,simply feeling that 'noddies' don't matter,a sad opinion in my view.
The bad one
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As I've stated in those clubs, you seem to be insinuating doubt on, and no I'm not going to name them, but plenty on here know which clubs they are, disproportionately as I've stated are carp anglers responsible for breaking those clubs rules. Those rules broken are again as I've stated.
You can spin in the p*ss and wind all you want Graham but those are facts in those two club, which have compiled a large data base of evidence over many years, unlike your single personal observation. Basically many eyes on many club waters. Unlike yours one pair once or twice a week on the water(s) you fish.
You can spin in the p*ss and wind all you want Graham but those are facts in those two club, which have compiled a large data base of evidence over many years, unlike your single personal observation. Basically many eyes on many club waters. Unlike yours one pair once or twice a week on the water(s) you fish.
sam vimes
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I don't disagree. However, if the hostility and derogatory comment towards carpers displayed on here is prevalent in real life, I'm not surprised that some carpers are likely to be rather hostile and derogatory right back.
One thing is for sure, threads like this remind me why I shun busy waters and prefer rivers. As a cleverer bloke than me once wrote, hell is other people.
The bad one
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And here’s a for instance, 2 weeks ago I went on one of the club waters doing some fisheries work, there was two day pleasure anglers on. I checked their card and they tell me there two bags of cr*p under a tree on the track near one of the car parks. And a sink full of beer bottles in the toilet. I agree to move the lot when I finished do what I had to do.
On opening the bags they were full of used canisters of gas burger boxes, beer bottles, other sh!t including plastic boillie bags and Dope dimps. The smell of dope when I opened them was overpowering and sickly…. Just hate the smell of dope! Had I got stopped on my way home by the police I’d have had some explaining to do why my car stunk of dope that’s for sure.
The bottles in the toilet were full btw of cr8p Mexican beer.
The water is predominantly fished by carpers with an odd day angler trying their hand for the silver fish it contains. Now I can’t say with absolute certainty that cr*p was dumped by a carp angler but I can say from what it contained it was left by an angler that had been there overnight possibly longer. So on a scale of probability of 1 – 10, 10 being the highest, it measured 8 for it being left by a dirty scumball carp angler.
The lot went in the appropriate bins when I got home and the beer went to the sewage works down the drain for recycling.
The regular bailiffs for the water are on to this scumball and will have him at some point for his disregard for the club’s rules. His card will with no question be gone when they catch him. All three of the rules individually will lose anybody breaking them their card.
As to carp anglers and dope smoking, I can guarantee if I walk round any of the local carp waters, I’ll come across dope smoke and smell coming from at least one bivvy any night over any summer weekend. Carp fishing whether you and other recognise it or not is rife with dope smoking!
On opening the bags they were full of used canisters of gas burger boxes, beer bottles, other sh!t including plastic boillie bags and Dope dimps. The smell of dope when I opened them was overpowering and sickly…. Just hate the smell of dope! Had I got stopped on my way home by the police I’d have had some explaining to do why my car stunk of dope that’s for sure.
The bottles in the toilet were full btw of cr8p Mexican beer.
The water is predominantly fished by carpers with an odd day angler trying their hand for the silver fish it contains. Now I can’t say with absolute certainty that cr*p was dumped by a carp angler but I can say from what it contained it was left by an angler that had been there overnight possibly longer. So on a scale of probability of 1 – 10, 10 being the highest, it measured 8 for it being left by a dirty scumball carp angler.
The lot went in the appropriate bins when I got home and the beer went to the sewage works down the drain for recycling.
The regular bailiffs for the water are on to this scumball and will have him at some point for his disregard for the club’s rules. His card will with no question be gone when they catch him. All three of the rules individually will lose anybody breaking them their card.
As to carp anglers and dope smoking, I can guarantee if I walk round any of the local carp waters, I’ll come across dope smoke and smell coming from at least one bivvy any night over any summer weekend. Carp fishing whether you and other recognise it or not is rife with dope smoking!
fishing4luckies
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Fair point.
But I'd say look at it another way - almost all of the mallet wielding, drunk/drugged yobs you'll see fishing are Carpers.
sam vimes
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I'll accept the mallet wielding bit. However, my experience has been that I've encountered more yobbish behaviour and drink/drugs on match type commies than any other type of fishery. The anglers concerned weren't carpers as I'd recognise them, regardless of how they were fishing.
We will put you down as a "dont like" then shall we Phil ?
..So only 0.15% of the 13000 members are causing a problem then ? As in any walk of life there is an idiot minority. Pretty unfair to tarnish all the others with the same brush really isnt it.
With all due respect I think allot of people on this site don’t actually know what a Carp angler is. They think they know what a Carp angler is which is a bloke in a tent on their local commercial who sticks multiple rods on buzzers and then drinks beer takes drugs and waits for a fish to hook itself...that’s like me saying a “Roach” angler is a bloke with a centerpin who sits on a wicker creel float fishes bread and has a wee dram from his hip flask.
The unruly people you describe Phil are not "Carp" anglers..they are just s*** anglers full stop.
People should try taking a walk off the beaten track from time to time. In my experience most “pleasure” anglers would probably pass a good Carp angler in his swim without even knowing he was there let alone any trace after he was gone.
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Philip: I fished mainly for carp for 38 years so I do know a little bit about this problem. The vast majority of 'carp anglers' are now youngsters, a lot of them have hardly ever fished for anything else. They mostly view 'other' anglers as noddies.
There appears to be a weird macho mindset that only carp or maybe catfish are worth fishing for.
They have to look the part, tackle is almost a fashion item; for example: there is a fashion where (of course) rods must be matching, only huge big pit reels must be used (despite the fact that they only fish small waters), some fashionable carp anglers must have their rods only 4 inches apart with one reel handle folded back (how stupid is that!) and most stupid of all is that all carp must be photographed while the captor dons chest waders and holds it in the water! Of course all that is their choice and they are perfectly entitled to do so.
BUT, far too many have no regard for other anglers, despite the fact that you are already there fishing close by they smash pegs into the ground with mallets because it does not matter to them - they are there for the night! It is a sign of their well 'ardness, the huge pile of empty lager cans behind their bivvy! They proceed to cast across your swim (it's only a noddie roach angler) to the snag opposite after the bait boat has been out several times. Don't forget the hour of marker float use leaving the water to a foam and of coarse if you are really lucky they will give you a wonderful display of how to use a spod for another hour!!! I won't mention wacky baccy, midnight stealth bait boat regattas or radios. I have even witnessed these 'wonder carp anglers' going out on inflatable lilos to bait up.
On one water (I fished there for the roach, had them to 2lbs 8ozs) for three years I picked up the litter because I couldn't stand to fish there in such a mess - this was again due almost entirely by your wonder carp angler!!!
Rant over.
There appears to be a weird macho mindset that only carp or maybe catfish are worth fishing for.
They have to look the part, tackle is almost a fashion item; for example: there is a fashion where (of course) rods must be matching, only huge big pit reels must be used (despite the fact that they only fish small waters), some fashionable carp anglers must have their rods only 4 inches apart with one reel handle folded back (how stupid is that!) and most stupid of all is that all carp must be photographed while the captor dons chest waders and holds it in the water! Of course all that is their choice and they are perfectly entitled to do so.
BUT, far too many have no regard for other anglers, despite the fact that you are already there fishing close by they smash pegs into the ground with mallets because it does not matter to them - they are there for the night! It is a sign of their well 'ardness, the huge pile of empty lager cans behind their bivvy! They proceed to cast across your swim (it's only a noddie roach angler) to the snag opposite after the bait boat has been out several times. Don't forget the hour of marker float use leaving the water to a foam and of coarse if you are really lucky they will give you a wonderful display of how to use a spod for another hour!!! I won't mention wacky baccy, midnight stealth bait boat regattas or radios. I have even witnessed these 'wonder carp anglers' going out on inflatable lilos to bait up.
On one water (I fished there for the roach, had them to 2lbs 8ozs) for three years I picked up the litter because I couldn't stand to fish there in such a mess - this was again due almost entirely by your wonder carp angler!!!
Rant over.
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thecrow
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Phil I don't doubt them at all and it was a tongue in cheek comment that maybe should have been followed by a smiley face, I know one of the clubs is not to be mentioned by name although it is regularly. The other I have no idea who they are.
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To bring some equality to this discussion I remember a thread on here by binka where he had fished a local urban pond that he had fished as a child apart from the fish he caught there were photographs of the rubbish he had collected up putting it into his car boot, I have been unable to find the thread though.
I don't know the pond but I doubt it was one that carp anglers would visit and all the rubbish may not have been from anglers but some was and "some" is far to much, its just indicative of the general attitude of some today, some of those that have this "couldn't care less" attitude are anglers (used in its broadest sense) there are so many anglers in the country that its obvious that some of them will be anglers all sorts of anglers not just ones that fish for carp.
The fact is that we as a nation are a bloody dirty lot chewing gum, fag ends. fast food boxes/wrappers, bottles full of what looks like p!$$, fly tipping the list goes on next time you drive onto or off a motorway just have a look at the verges, is it carp anglers that have thrown all the rubbish there? no of course it isn't its the dirty barstewards amongst us should all car drivers be tarred with the same brush as carp anglers are by some? A dirty angler is just that a dirty angler no matter what they fish for.
Would the situation be helped by banning not only those that leave **** but those that are fishing alongside them that have said nothing which imo just condones it.
As I said previously perhaps some that complain about carp anglers should look at the waters they visit because I have never come across the type of angler that is being described it only requires a bit of research and a walk round a fishery in winter when the undergrowth has died back and any hidden rubbish becomes visible........... any rubbish don't join/fish there and let the owner know why you wont, its simple its something I have always done when looking for waters.
The bad one
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Philip I've been a specialist angler probably longer than you've lived, 44 years this year. I've fished most of the NW big fish water, many before they had carp in them. Others whilst they were in and some now that they are gone.
The Capesthorne Hall Estate Cheshire has some of the most famous waters on it in the NW and Midlands. I still fish one of those waters, once or twice a year, because of the enlightened Fisheries Manager the estate has, has brought back the other species to good weights that it was fame for 30-35 years ago when the carp were of modest sized fish by today's standards.
~Old saying don't try and teach your Grandma how to suck eggs. The likes of Selman Cooper, Warwick Paisley et al were bits of kid when I met them. Not that I was much more. No Philip to say I know nothing about "carp Anglers" is laughable!
You also need to read what I wrote about the numbers again as you've got the wrong end of the stick of what I wrote.
Graham the other is again a NW club WAA and famous for Rugby League. And Tigger doesn't live there
The Capesthorne Hall Estate Cheshire has some of the most famous waters on it in the NW and Midlands. I still fish one of those waters, once or twice a year, because of the enlightened Fisheries Manager the estate has, has brought back the other species to good weights that it was fame for 30-35 years ago when the carp were of modest sized fish by today's standards.
~Old saying don't try and teach your Grandma how to suck eggs. The likes of Selman Cooper, Warwick Paisley et al were bits of kid when I met them. Not that I was much more. No Philip to say I know nothing about "carp Anglers" is laughable!
You also need to read what I wrote about the numbers again as you've got the wrong end of the stick of what I wrote.
Graham the other is again a NW club WAA and famous for Rugby League. And Tigger doesn't live there
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thecrow
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The bad one
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he's defo not a wolf