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Probably the most enjoyable type of fishing, at least for me, was free lining bread, flake/crust, for chub in shallow water. Nothing since has replaced the excitement of being able to cast to a fish, watch it take the bait, set the hook and then successfully net it.
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I couldn't agree more John. My days spent on the Upper Witham, Eye, Leam, Bain and Upper Great Ouse will never be forgotten.

Those big white lips!!!

Just as exciting it seeing a trout take your dry fly.

And seeing the top of your float disappear and then being attatched to a thumping boring fish - nothing to beat it.
 

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I'm still puzzled by 8AAA stick floats or is Ron calling other floats 'sticks'? I saw this in a mag a while ago - 'How to fish the stick float' - when what they were talking about was chubbers which is something completely different. Generally stick floats go up to about 8 no. 4 and have a stem of cane, plastic, glass or alloy. You do get some bigger ones but they are trotting floats not sticks.
 

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Generally stick floats go up to about 8 no. 4 and have a stem of cane, plastic, glass or alloy. You do get some bigger ones but they are trotting floats not sticks.
I think it depends on the water in front of the angler- if you take the old rule of thumb that number fours are used in deep ,fast water when holding back with a shouldered stick its not unusual to have a fourteen number fours on the line between the float and hook -in some swims that I use on the Trent you can go even heavier but you are still "stickin" it. I have some very old (wouldnt be parted from) sticks that were made by one of the best ever guys to fish the Trent match circuit and at the top end of the range (eight in all) one is marked up saying it takes sixteen number four shot.
 
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For all my apparent 'bashing' of a certain type of game angler on our sister site ( I did really enjoy winding them up though, and one actually complained to the Angling Trust about my outrageous comments) I would put river trouting (fly) 2nd only to my free lining for chub. Sadly legs that resemble withered bean stalks rather than the English Oaks of not too many years ago don't make for wading in fast flowing rivers.

Kathy Kirby:) Aaah, not white but big voluptuous and very bright red :):)

Ron is probably already of a dither thinking of days gone by :)
 
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It just so happened that I lost my favourite heavy stick float yesterday, called a "balsa glider". I have used this float for many years, catching all sorts of species with it on the Trent, and the Hampshire Avon as a matter of fact. The float took a fair old shot load, and rode very steady in a fast deep and turbulent swim.

So I went for some more maggots today for use tomorrow and purchased a Drennan 3.5gm "Big Stick" for the princely sum of £1. It takes 7 1/2 BB and it looks the biz for those deep fast stretches of the mighty Tidal when the wind is downstream or in your face.

If I could get one I would try a fluted float.

I am still toying with the type of hook I must use. Wednesday I used a 14 Drennan Specialist Barbel Hook baited with 3 or 4 maggots.

Certainly I will be using 5lb fluorocarbon on the hooklength.

The term: "Stick Float" is just a name for another type of trotting float. Don't see why it should be "canonised" as a method of fishing.

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Erratum.

For 8 AAAs in a previous post, read 8 BBs. There is obviously a mistake on the box of shot I was using!

Apologies!
 

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I called into the Sunderland Fishing Republic tackle 'shed' about four years ago and was met with blank bewildered faces when I asked where they kept the 'stick floats' After eventually finding one (singular) in a plastic wrapper I then asked about float rubbers :rolleyes:

Never been back since

I still have a couple of fluted floats Ron, and an assortment of 'big' wire stem Avon types, the bodies all painted in the same colour brown of my Austin Metro of that time.
Talking of that car, I've spent some very uncomfortable nights in that thing. One former CSG Secretary once commented about me having screw-off legs...any working type would be good right now.
 

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To finnish-- barbel are in the main dead easy to catch and at times stupidly so and the challenge is not so great as many seem to think they are. The real challenge is to enjoy them without cost to others pleasure and I think that is for some hard to do. The next really big challenge on the Trent is now the humble gudgeon-- anyone who can take them and enjoy it at the same time is really on a winner.

After catching two nice dace the other day, I think the next challenge is perhaps dace. Let's face it, as a species they are few and far between these days.

And thinking of dace, I must get back on the Rother these coming months. I saw dear old John Ledger take an incredible catch of dace at Catcliffe, a few months before his death. There were lots of fish some of which were over 12 oz and not far short of a pound.

The humble gudgeon??

I remember clearly the time I watched **** Walker utterly entranced by catching minnows on the Ouse. This surely is the mark of a real angler.

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I called into the Sunderland Fishing Republic tackle 'shed' about four years ago and was met with blank bewildered faces when I asked where they kept the 'stick floats' After eventually finding one (singular) in a plastic wrapper I then asked about float rubbers

You can still buy stick floats in Rotherham at both Wickersley Angling Centre and Dave Parkes Tackle. It was the latter emporium where I got my Big Stick.

I think I must have taken nearly all **** Clegg's stick float stock before he shut shop. But they were all small floats, fine for the Idle but a bit small for the mighty Trent.

If you ask Dave Parkes for "rubbers" he will tell you to go to the nearest pharmacy. He does carry Drennan "float retaining rings" though.

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If you ask Dave Parkes for "rubbers" he will tell you to go to the nearest pharmacy. He does carry Drennan "float retaining rings" though.
Ron -c'mon fess up- dont tell me that you have'nt noticed the sex shop just around the corner close to Nutrabaits---- cue eddy!!!!!!

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After catching two nice dace the other day, I think the next challenge is perhaps dace. Let's face it, as a species they are few and far between these days.
Ron- give it another month tops and fish where you were the other day- scale down the gear a bit and its one a chuck on the day-- goers too! superb little mites that ounce for ounce give as good as any.sod the Barbel when these are having it, Bertie is just a mug by comparison
 
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Ron- give it another month tops and fish where you were the other day- scale down the gear a bit and its one a chuck on the day-- goers too! superb little mites that ounce for ounce give as good as any.sod the Barbel when these are having it, Bertie is just a mug by comparison

Looks like I'm in for a lot of fun over the next few months, all foran OAPs book, plus the bloody diesel to get there of course.
 
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pleasure.

And that is why we go fishing - isn't it?

By any chance did you ask the 'aggressive anglers' whether or not they were gaining pleasure from their chosen style of anging?
(I'll hazard a bet at NO!)

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I know you broached on answer to this BUT why the special treatment for barbel, they're not endangered, they're no more of a fish than a carp, bream or even perch.
Or am I mistaken?

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All in all, it reads as a classic case of snobbery and my way is best!

Just cos it doesn't suit you, no need to berate others chosen methods, unless they are genuinely going to have a detrimental effect on the fish's welfare.
 

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Not really upset at all Bob.

Just pleased that I've been able to get some of you talking again.

And people who say trout are easy to catch, haven't done much trout fishing. Not that at times trout are easy to catch, because they can be.

At other times they can be virtually impossible, even with maggots and worms.

I have yet to come across a trout that didn’t have suicidal tendencies as soon as a maggot or worm was put in front of it..not only can you catch the same one over and over again but as soon as you put it back it sits there hovering in the current waiting for you to drop the maggot in front of it again ! Then again maybe I have it all wrong…perhaps Trout are in fact the most INTELLIGENT fish, they have evolved beyond resisting capture … they realize that a quick trip to the bank means a free maggot lunch…it’s a small price to pay..

Btw as an aside heavy baitng can work great for trout. On the any method water at Barn elms you would hav the water boiling with trout if you chucked enough bait in (when the bailiff wasn’t looking…)

Going back to your original point about aggressive angling I do think multiple rods & mega baiting is out of place on small rivers, by small I mean up to about Kennet sized so I sort of agree with you on that one.
 

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*Looks sheepish...


I am on 4 rods this year

2 barbel
1 zander
1 monster creature

I would use a boat if I didn't think that I would drown myself in the process of baiting up.

I can see what they are doing...I agree with the logic...But I would use a different method of deployment.

Whatever floats thier boat...If you will pardon the pun.

What twists my scrote are anglers that get too close to me or anglers that choose to fish opposite me. That really ****es me off no end.

It is a big river....Use it.
 

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Anglers fishing opposite you on a wide river like the Trent shouldn't be a problem at all, should it?

After all, they have only purchased a ticket, like you, to fish up to half way across the mighty river.

But there's the rub, eh?

These latter-day failed carpers all appear to want to cast to the horizon, or in this case, right on your stick float line, although, in fairness, they probably need to with all the racket they make. And of course, it's impossible to fish four rods close in without spooking everything that swims due to the proliferation of stretcd lines.

A clear example of where less is more.

Is it not time that anglers observed the half-way rule?

That it should be seen as unsporting and outrageous as not having an unhooking mat? Using keepnets to retain 'holy' barbel? Leaving pike runs for two minutes? Killing eels, etc, etc?

I don't care how many rods a guy on the far bank uses so long as they're fished in his own swim.

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Gone are the days when a stick was trotted down the Trent for chub, roach and dace, I spent many a happy day in the 70's thru to the early 90's doing that very thing from Burton up to Newark but that was when day tickets were freely available and the river was full of fish.


Incidentally who was it that strung a dead sheep over the river so the maggots would feed his swim? His name escapes me but he was quite well known and that was aggressive excessive excessiveness :p
 

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The halfway rule...

I can see the logic in that y'know :O)

The Trent is wide enough, I am just a miserable xenophobic sociopath that hates looking at other people when I am on the river.

Seriously...I hate having to look at anyone else.

Am I a bad person?

Yeah...Probably.

As for the four rods...they are at the far reaches of what can be termed my peg...My peg is generally about 2 pegs long :O)

I like the dead sheed idea, the best days fishing I ever had on the ladybower was besides a dead sheep. I didn't see it till I had taken my bag limit and maybe a few in credit :O)

Happy days.
 

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It's hard to take your eyes off the guy opposite, I can't abide people in my eyeline!! Totally with you there Lee, how dare they be on the same river as me? Don't they know who I am???
 
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MU HAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

IT'S ME! I'M THE ONE ON THE OTHER BANK LEE!

I've been stalking you for ages. I eve got a shot of you having a quick nifty in your bivvy!
 

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Ron, if you want some fluted avons , try a chap called Chris Lythe from Scotton, he makes some beautiful and extremely useable fluted floats , although I must warn you, theyre not cheap. !
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These latter-day failed carpers all appear to want to cast to the horizon, or in this case, right on your stick float line, although, in fairness, they probably need to with all the racket they make. And of course, it's impossible to fish four rods close in without spooking everything that swims due to the proliferation of stretcd lines.

A clear example of where less is more.

Is it not time that anglers observed the half-way rule?
Bob, besides saying this on FM it would be nice if it could be seen in the angling media- one of your pieces wouild be as good a place as any -- perhaps even your blog/ I've said it till i'm blue in the face but it seems the wail of optonics makes it difficult for some to get the message.
 
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