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They will be doing sweet FA same as the government
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yoggy
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Steve,contacting the police did cross my mind.But the incident happened so quickly.With this and being late for work i just wanted to do my stint and go home.As i said i did talk to the EA about the matter.As well as the local lock-keeper [who issues the day tickets].Both were extremely concerned about this,and stated that this was just one of many incidents on this stretch alone.It must be frustrating for the EA to have their hands tied.It seems they are as frustrated as us anglers.
I also spoke to the Angling times[Greg].The more incidents they can report the more ammunition we`ll have to fight this cause.
I also spoke to the Angling times[Greg].The more incidents they can report the more ammunition we`ll have to fight this cause.
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john ledger
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Its time Martin Salter was involved
Steve Spiller
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Yeah I can understand that Yoggy, it's hard to think straight (if you know what I mean) when put into a pressure situation.
If it happens to anyone else, I would love to know what the police do when they get a 999 call in the same circumstances as you?
Nigel I agree with you too, how about an FM petition to the government, 25,000+ members??? Maybe the A.T and A.M could get involved???
I also agree with John, if something isn't done soon, people will start taking it in their own hands!
If it happens to anyone else, I would love to know what the police do when they get a 999 call in the same circumstances as you?
Nigel I agree with you too, how about an FM petition to the government, 25,000+ members??? Maybe the A.T and A.M could get involved???
I also agree with John, if something isn't done soon, people will start taking it in their own hands!
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I also agree with John, if something isn't done soon, people will start taking it in their own hands!
That very nearly happened with three friends of mine who were carp fishing on the Nene. Walking to their swims they passed a group of people, dead fish on the bank and a live tench flapping on the ground. Suffice to say words were said and the tench went back. No progress was made on the education front as all they said was the usual "no speak English". Also a local drain that up to a couple of years ago was a brilliant pike water has fished very poorly and rightly or wrongly the immigrants are getting the blame. I do know of two occasions where people I know have seen dead pike being carried along the bank. Feelings are running very high amongst the people I know and I don't think trying to educate them will have enough time to work before someone gets hurt.
That very nearly happened with three friends of mine who were carp fishing on the Nene. Walking to their swims they passed a group of people, dead fish on the bank and a live tench flapping on the ground. Suffice to say words were said and the tench went back. No progress was made on the education front as all they said was the usual "no speak English". Also a local drain that up to a couple of years ago was a brilliant pike water has fished very poorly and rightly or wrongly the immigrants are getting the blame. I do know of two occasions where people I know have seen dead pike being carried along the bank. Feelings are running very high amongst the people I know and I don't think trying to educate them will have enough time to work before someone gets hurt.
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yoggy
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Graham,One of my local drains the 20ft has been getting some hammer lately.There was a regular visit by the same immigrants.They used to turn up at a certain stretch around 11pm and leave before it broke light.If it wasn`t for the fact the local farmer spotting them god knows how long they would have continued.The farmer phoned some of his farm-hands and to put it mildly they escorted them off the bank.Thankfully he has told me they havn`t returned since.But you can bet your bottom dollar they`ve simply moved elsewhere?.
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yoggy
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I also agree with John in that it wont be to long before anglers will be taking matters into their own hands.Yes,we all know its wrong,but who can blame them.The anglers here including myself were born and raised in the Fens.We were taught how to shoot and fish before we went to school.We were taught how to respect the wildlife around us.Generations of fenlanders have managed the fields and waterways.So why the hell should they just stand there and do nothing while foreign parties slowly destroy our fish stocks.I have spoken to a lot of the local lads who fish these drains and i can assure martin salter and anyone else who can have an impact on this matter their patience is wearing extremely thin.
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Yoggy, I heard this morning about a bailiff being threatened when he aproached a group of them on the Nene above Peterborough. I'm not sure if he reported it or not. From what I hear a lot of the fen drains are getting attention although I must admit fishing daytime winter sessions I've not seen anything myself.
I've been hearing stories for a few years about deadlines being set for pike on the drains but now it would seem it's getting more prevalant and organised.
As I said in my previous post, feelings are now starting to run high amongst people I know, one or two of them might act before they thought.
I've been hearing stories for a few years about deadlines being set for pike on the drains but now it would seem it's getting more prevalant and organised.
As I said in my previous post, feelings are now starting to run high amongst people I know, one or two of them might act before they thought.
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I have just received a phone call from the EA.They are sending an officer round tomorrow for a witness statement etc...
He seemed a nice bloke who was more than concerned about these fish thefts.
Lets hope its the start of something positive??.
He seemed a nice bloke who was more than concerned about these fish thefts.
Lets hope its the start of something positive??.
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yoggy
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Graham,if its the same stretch i`m thinking of,that rumour is very true.I know and spoke to the bailiff myself.
He now walks the banks armed with a golf club!!!!!
He now walks the banks armed with a golf club!!!!!
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Nigel Connor(ACA ,SAA)
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There seems to be two sources of concern.
One is the organised fish theft using nets or fixed lines that Yoggy has witnessed.This is illegal and requires no change in the law to enforce.I am glad the EA are now hopefully allocationg time to a proper investigation.
I wonder how widespread this is as opposed to the second area of concern which is individual or groups of anglers using ordinary tackle but removing fish they catch presumably for their individual use?
Has anyone else come across this organised theft or is it localised to the Fens where road side access to the drains etc is easy so vans can be parked and nets manouvred? Isn't there also a large number of immigrant workers in agriculture in the area who are presumably providing the market for the fish?
Yoggy is the feeling in your area that it is a few groups doing this and moving from water to water or a larger number?
To counter this properly and to appear serious in any lobbying we need to be as certain as we can be of the problem out there.I'm not seeking to minmise the problem but we do need to get it in some perspective if we are to be taken seriously I feel.
One is the organised fish theft using nets or fixed lines that Yoggy has witnessed.This is illegal and requires no change in the law to enforce.I am glad the EA are now hopefully allocationg time to a proper investigation.
I wonder how widespread this is as opposed to the second area of concern which is individual or groups of anglers using ordinary tackle but removing fish they catch presumably for their individual use?
Has anyone else come across this organised theft or is it localised to the Fens where road side access to the drains etc is easy so vans can be parked and nets manouvred? Isn't there also a large number of immigrant workers in agriculture in the area who are presumably providing the market for the fish?
Yoggy is the feeling in your area that it is a few groups doing this and moving from water to water or a larger number?
To counter this properly and to appear serious in any lobbying we need to be as certain as we can be of the problem out there.I'm not seeking to minmise the problem but we do need to get it in some perspective if we are to be taken seriously I feel.
Neneman Nick
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further to what simon/yoggy has said,i have e-mailed greg at the angling times with what i have heard first hand from people who have been threatened by immigrants etc....
i think the idea of some sort of petition is a good idea,if some sort of downloadable/printable one was available i could take it to work and get the blokes in the angling cub to sign it as well.
i would even be prepaired to take it around to some day ticket fisheries etc.... that i know of and get the people fishing to sign it as well.
its times like this when all the different species groups,organizations,fishing web sites and angling magazines etc... need to put petty squabling and differences to one side and join together to get this problem sorted.
i think the idea of some sort of petition is a good idea,if some sort of downloadable/printable one was available i could take it to work and get the blokes in the angling cub to sign it as well.
i would even be prepaired to take it around to some day ticket fisheries etc.... that i know of and get the people fishing to sign it as well.
its times like this when all the different species groups,organizations,fishing web sites and angling magazines etc... need to put petty squabling and differences to one side and join together to get this problem sorted.
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yoggy
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Nigel, Most of the immigrants around the Fens have more than likely come here due to the reason you stated.In that its rich in agriculture land.Here they can easy find employment from one season to the next. With this, and the over-whelming drainage system its just an absolute haven for them.From the information i`ve gathered and witnessed myself these people tend to roam from water to water [probably this lessens the chances of being caught]and alot fish at night. The easy access to the drains definately doen`t help matters also.
I was talking to a chap today who stated that there was a new eastern european food shop opening in his town.With this and their liking for coarse fish it certainly makes you think??!!
I was talking to a chap today who stated that there was a new eastern european food shop opening in his town.With this and their liking for coarse fish it certainly makes you think??!!
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Its not just fish they are taking but cattle as well plus how many birds have they killed.
We have now a greater problem as far as angling is concerned than any pollution antis etc.
I have been in contact with a number of Polish clubs around my area and they admit they have a problem.
I also drafted a letter and sent it to the Sheffield Star which is PC orientated so i will not expect much from them.
My next article for the Angling Star will highlight the problem but due to the fact its an angling paper only anglers will read it.
Its not anglers its the ordinary Joe Bloggs and his wife we want to take notice and maybe those lovely people at PETA should be made aware.
Maybe when a gang of antis turn up and knock seven shades out of them we might have a solution but at this present time angling is going through a most difficult period.Mick Lomas a friend of mine and very well respected angler emailed me telling how they have appeared at Dunham Bridge on the Trent removing fish
Too many anglers are saying its ok its not happening at our end ,well sorry it bloody well is and if you are so apathetic you should be bloody well ashamed of yourself.
Its not just fish they are taking but cattle as well plus how many birds have they killed.
We have now a greater problem as far as angling is concerned than any pollution antis etc.
I have been in contact with a number of Polish clubs around my area and they admit they have a problem.
I also drafted a letter and sent it to the Sheffield Star which is PC orientated so i will not expect much from them.
My next article for the Angling Star will highlight the problem but due to the fact its an angling paper only anglers will read it.
Its not anglers its the ordinary Joe Bloggs and his wife we want to take notice and maybe those lovely people at PETA should be made aware.
Maybe when a gang of antis turn up and knock seven shades out of them we might have a solution but at this present time angling is going through a most difficult period.Mick Lomas a friend of mine and very well respected angler emailed me telling how they have appeared at Dunham Bridge on the Trent removing fish
Too many anglers are saying its ok its not happening at our end ,well sorry it bloody well is and if you are so apathetic you should be bloody well ashamed of yourself.
Neneman Nick
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hear hear john,well said!!!
i have been thinking....how long before these thieving scum hit the commercials in search of big fat juicy carp or the trout lakes/fisheries???
i can think of plenty of day ticket waters not far from me that are really only patrolled for the day ticket money and could easily be attacked during the night,the same goes for trout waters as well.
it`s only a natural progression i suppose because with netting or poaching rivers,you cant guarrantee what ends up in your net can you.target a commercial/day ticket venue and you can virtually guarrantee carp and if you target somewhere like ringstead grange trout fishery for example,guess what....your`e gonna catch nice and juicy trout with perhaps the odd salmon or big fat pike.
i have been thinking....how long before these thieving scum hit the commercials in search of big fat juicy carp or the trout lakes/fisheries???
i can think of plenty of day ticket waters not far from me that are really only patrolled for the day ticket money and could easily be attacked during the night,the same goes for trout waters as well.
it`s only a natural progression i suppose because with netting or poaching rivers,you cant guarrantee what ends up in your net can you.target a commercial/day ticket venue and you can virtually guarrantee carp and if you target somewhere like ringstead grange trout fishery for example,guess what....your`e gonna catch nice and juicy trout with perhaps the odd salmon or big fat pike.
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Talking to a lad at work today, he told me nightlines had been found at a res near Leicester and immigrants were approaching anglers trying to buy fish. Also there's a post on another forum where two local carp syndicates have serious fish theft problems. This came from a syndicate member.It does sound as though the problem is quite widespread.
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Nick, I have the same concerns as you.
When it gets dark we haven't got a clue what's going on!
When we all start blanking we will start asking questions.
Has anyone seen "Benson" lately???
When it gets dark we haven't got a clue what's going on!
When we all start blanking we will start asking questions.
Has anyone seen "Benson" lately???
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Nigel Connor(ACA ,SAA)
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There is only so much the authorities can do.In respect of theft from commercials then the onus has to be on the owner to protect their stocks.After all its not the police who provide the protection for shopkeepers against shoplifting.They only intervene when somebody is caught.
I doubt the commercials will come under much attention.It would appear much easier for the organised groups to target isolayted rivers where the chance of detection are virtually nil.
What is the petition going to demand? I did not agree with the AT campaign a few months back asking for a changhe in the law so that the taking of any coarse fish was illegal.Maybe it should demand that the necessary resources are made available to the EA so that surveiilance and enforcement can take place.
I do feel that we are, sad to say, going to have to live with this problem.The number of waterways susceptible will mean it will never be stamped out fully only minimised even with concerted action.Lets hope the Poles develop a taste for fish fingers.Why anyone would want to eat Bream or Roach is beyond me anyway.Perhaps we can distirbute a few crayfish traps and we could solve two problems at once?
I doubt the commercials will come under much attention.It would appear much easier for the organised groups to target isolayted rivers where the chance of detection are virtually nil.
What is the petition going to demand? I did not agree with the AT campaign a few months back asking for a changhe in the law so that the taking of any coarse fish was illegal.Maybe it should demand that the necessary resources are made available to the EA so that surveiilance and enforcement can take place.
I do feel that we are, sad to say, going to have to live with this problem.The number of waterways susceptible will mean it will never be stamped out fully only minimised even with concerted action.Lets hope the Poles develop a taste for fish fingers.Why anyone would want to eat Bream or Roach is beyond me anyway.Perhaps we can distirbute a few crayfish traps and we could solve two problems at once?
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john ledger
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Sad to say this but the only time it will stop is if someone gets killed,as always in this country it takes a violent act before anyone takes notice and at the end of the day thats what will happen
Steve Spiller
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What is Keith Arthurs problem??? Ivory Tower?
Like you said John, if it aint happening on my local, it can't be happening everywhere else. What a crock if people think that!
Sorry, but I think you've got your head up your arse Mr Arthur!
If people like Andy Nellist and Yoggy say it is happening, then I believe them. Just because it aint happening on my local, doesn't mean it isn't going on.
When proof is given and shown, you can climb down from your Ivory Tower Mr Arthur!
Did I merge ok Nigel?
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Like you said John, if it aint happening on my local, it can't be happening everywhere else. What a crock if people think that!
Sorry, but I think you've got your head up your arse Mr Arthur!
If people like Andy Nellist and Yoggy say it is happening, then I believe them. Just because it aint happening on my local, doesn't mean it isn't going on.
When proof is given and shown, you can climb down from your Ivory Tower Mr Arthur!
Did I merge ok Nigel?
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