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The Monk

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specie extinction is of course a natural process, just like birth, death,immigration and migration, its said that 99.99% of all the species that every inhabited this rock, are now extinct, some without ever being discoverred in the first place.

I`ve never found it to make sense throwing thousands of pounds away on a specie to re-introduce it, when it is quite common in other parts of the world, when this same money could go towards preserving species which are universally on the brink, especially if its in relation to a natural extinction?
 
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Bill Eborn

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According to the Sea River newsletter Burbot eat red signals which might be a reason for reintroducing them I suppose and yes it really is just after five, I'm going fishing hopefully to catch my first ever Grayling, although in the Sussex Ouse, whilst there are some there, I think they are almost as rare as Burbot.

The Sea River newsletter's great by the way. It's produced in France and written in French and English. I find it really interesting to look at angling from the perspective of a different country.
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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I rarley see such species as stone loach, bullheads and tommy (daddy) ruffes any more.

I did once catch a ruffe on the Severn at Bewdley years ago.
 
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ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)

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We always knew Bullheads as Millers Thumbs
 
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jason fisher

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had a lot of ruffe last autumn late on as it was going dark, fishing worms for perch.
 
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The Monk

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Bill, Signals are much bigger than Burbot arnt they, I hope they chew their food properly?

we have stone loach in the river at the back of my house Ron, I was surprised to catch a few in a minnow trap I laid a few years ago. I actually have Weather Loach in my ponds or at least I put some in a few years ago?

The Ruffe, Ruff or Pope seem to be a twighlight fish, definately not as many about these days, hench the formation of the Ruffe Study Group (RSG)

The Millers Thumb, so names because Millers used to use them for something when they tested the bread, doe Uggg(cant remember)

Bullhead definately appear to be on a decline, mind you so are Millers?

Interestingly, the Burbot is the only freshwater member of the Cod family
 
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The Monk

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not to forget of course>

NEW ELITE SPECIALIST ANGLING GROUP

For many years the specialist study of the Ruffe and its followers have moved behind closed doors, in what many have considered secret societies. This has mainly been brought about by the very nature of this superb specie and its hidden fighting qualities. I have always been a confirmed Ruffe specialist and have over the last 30 years studied this often-elusive specie, searching out many Ruffe waters, in the guise of a carp angler. While sat behind a battery of carp rods with all the very latest electronic wizardry, I would often have a secret, snide Ruffe rod close to hand.

The Ruffe (or Ruff) is essentially a British specie also known as the Pope (much older name) and more recently, due to its parculiar “habit” of rising to the surface and slapping the upper water levels with its huge dorsal fin, it has also become known as the “Slapper” fish (Acerina Cerua or A. Vuglaris Slappus). Back in the early 1990’s I had the great privilege to be invited into the Ruffe Study Group (RSG), and through my membership of this rather notable specialist organisation, my interest in the specie grew astonishingly, so much so, that after many more years research and much European travel to a variety of Ruffe waters, I decided to get together with a number of experienced Ruffe anglers and form the Ruffe Slappers Study Group Internationale (RSSGI), membership at present is by invitation only although a number of new publications are shortly to appear in the UK aimed specifically on our findings with the specie, the RSSGI’s in house publication “Big Ruffe Slapper” will become available to the general angling public later in the year. Leading features in the current edition include “Ruffe Slappers of Eastern Europe” by Elvis Pete, “A Knight with some Ruffe Slappers” by Gary Leigh, A Layman’s Guide to Ruffe Bivvies”, a special feature by Ron Clay, who for many years has owned a Ruffe Bivvy (and is quite partial to the odd slapper), along with a plethora of other wildly interesting scripts.

“Elvis Pete” who is the undisputed Northwest leading authority on Ruffe Slappers, said at a Ruffe Conference in Oldham recently, “It is indeed good news that Ruffe Slappers are finally gaining the recognition they deserve, I’ve hunted down Ruffe Slappers over most of Europe and in Port Talbot and it gives me a great pride to be elected Honorary President of this new Ruffe International Organisation”, Elvis has probably had more Ruffe Slappers than any man alive. Gary Leigh is another specialist angler noted for his past endevours with Ruffe Slappers, Gary over the years has taken a number of good Ruffe Slappers (where to, no-one knows). Leading scientific angling bod, Phil Hackett (AKA ”Phillip the Antagonist”) is an enthusiastic Ruffe writer, indeed Phil has written a number of Ruffe articles over the years.

For further updates of this new and exciting International Organisation, the RSSGI, please contact The Monk direct at 221b The Darkest Deep Cavern, Oldham Peat Bogs, The Shire. Membership is open to all extremely good and famous anglers who The Monk likes, Some Ruffe Slapper experience is desirable on application and a list of current telephone numbers is also an advantage. The group realise that a number of Ruffe carp anglers have existed for many years south of Watford gap, it is however regrettable that it is unlikely, due to the high standard the new group aims to portray, that any of this lot will obtain membership (ever). Watch this space for further news of Ruffe Slappers, over to you guys.
Tight Slappers The Monk.
 

Tim Ridge

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Plenty of Tommie's in the lower Yorkshire Ouse Ron, Infact these seem to be the only none migratory freshwater species which inhabit these filthy lower reaches.
 

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Actually I seem to remember some claims that there might actually be a small surviving Burbot population in the lower Yourkshire ouse/upper Humber. There has definately been at least one unconfirmed report of these fish being captured by netsmen. Coalfish are more than likely the culprits though.
 
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jason fisher

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i thought burbot were supposed to grow up to about 3foot long.
 
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david bruce 1

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The Monk
great posting

Have you thought of affiliating with the:

Chubby Slappers, The Ruddy Slappers and of course that most venerable group the
Old Trout Slappers.
 
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Bill Eborn

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According to fishbase which is not 100% reliable we are told, Burbot grow up to 152 cm. The site said they weigh up 34 kg (shome mishtake there one feels) maybe 3.4 which would make an average fish a pound and a half to two maybe?

How about the Burbot Burglers?
 
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jason fisher

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aquarium sizes of 2foot are achievable apparently with wild fish reaching 3 a 3 foot fish would weigh considerably more than 7lb i think. it certainly would if it was a cod.
 
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Bill Eborn

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I think they are longer and thinnner than Cod Jason, so I guess a top weight of around seven might not be a million miles off. It would be great fun to find out, maybe it could be worth a special trip sometime or perhaps if someone was near to a water that holds them and the conditions weren't playing ball for the chosen species it might be worth having a try.
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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I fully agree that burbot should be re-stocked back into English waters.

Many years ago whilst I was fishing the Upper Ouse near Thornton, **** Walker and a mate who became known as "Haggis" because he was a Scotsman, arrived in ****s mud spattered Rover.

**** threw me a 200 pack of Consulate and said: "Pack up that silly chub fishing and get me some minnows - lots of them."

We caught forty odd minnows on single maggot and a 20 hook. Walker had that effect on you!

Walker put the minnows into a plastic bucket with a top full of holes, dumped them into his boot and made off at full throttle up the track. I shouted to him why he wanted the minnows?

In a shocking aproximation of a Yorkshire
accent he shouted back: "Ee lad, a wants 'em fer burbot bait"

I phoned Walker some days later and asked him if he had caught any burbot.

"Nay lad", he said, only a 4 pound chub.

I told him he had dropped one of his most famous hats on the bank.

"Well lad" he said, give it to me next time you see me."

I posted the hat to his Hitchin address the next day. I always thought he would have never missed that hat. If I had kept it, I wonder what it would be worth today, especially when a few of his flies were on sale recently for ?600?
 

Trevor Sawyer

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Burbot were last caught in the UK from the river Cam system near Cambridge I believe in the early 1970's. The Rhee (a tributary of the Cam produced one in 1972 and I believe **** walker and fred J Taylor had an unsuccesssful bash for one in that river), They are now extinct in this country. They were also found in the eastern flowing Northern rivers in the Yorkshire area, but died out a long time ago. They do grow quite big and are still found in the colder European Countries. That is one of the reasons why they died out - they HAVE to spawn under the ice and rivers don't tend to freeze over as often as they did. So, restocking them would almost certainly be doomed to failure. Interestingly, hundreds of years ago they were so common in the fenland drains that the farmers used to feed their pigs on them!
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senan ensko

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Hope to have a go for them when I next visit the in-laws in Finland. Does anybody know how people used to fish for them?
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Trevor Sawyer

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legered dead fish baits, on scaled-down version of pike tackle I should think, but your best bet is to ask the locals at your chosen venue. Good luck.
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