Knives

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay]

It isn't the police force that are at fault, it the bloody law lords. If I wanted to really attack someone, the last thing I would use would be a simple pocket knife.

I have a very potent looking kitchen knife that would do the job much better that could be hidden down my trousers!

 

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay]

Or I could buy myself a bow and some arrows!

Barbed ones of course.

 

[Wolfman Woody]

You're alright Lee -

"So anyone who legitimately requires a knife for work has a defence under s139 (5). That covers literally anybody who can say they require a knife to do their job."

You're doing the curry!

 

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay]

By the way, does anyone know where I can get some crocodile teeth to sew onto my bush hat?

I have changed my knife order to a bloody big 18 inch Bowie knife that I will wear down to the pub, on an holster on my back.

And here's another thing.

When I used to own a personal defence revolver, I had to carry it, by law, concealed, on my person at all times! Other than that, they had to be kept in my safe

My other firearms I kept in a wall safe in my house that had to be police approved. If I left my guns for any length of time I used to take them down to the local copshop where they kept them for me until I returned.

You might laugh but at one stage in my life I owned 8 firearms. I was a gun nut you see.

 

[Bill Cox]

Now your just a nut, Eh Ron !!!

 

[ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)]

"By the way, does anyone know where I can get some crocodile teeth to sew onto my bush hat?"

Errrrm --a crocodiles mouth maybe ??

 

[Richard Baker 4]

To be honest Julian I don't think the copper did too wrong taking your knife. When you hear some of the stories in the pressrecently, namely that poor girl who was attacked with a pencil sharpener balde and had to have 30 stitches in her face, you can't be too careful. Plus the old reputation that football fans have for violence I think the policeman was right. Sure 99% of the population wouldn't ever use a knife to attack someone, but the copper has to treat everyone the same.

As for carrying a knife, I've used a swiss army knife for years and had no problems with it folding in on me. As for gutting fish and cleaning fish, I take the guts out at the venue with the swiss army knife, then clean them at home with a proper knife.

Cheers

Rich

 

[Wolfman Woody]

"I've used a swiss army knife for years and had no problems with it folding in on me"

Ah, but you probably never use the back of the knife to cut luncheon meat. It gives a fluffy edge to the meat that looks better and releases more flavour in the first few minutes in the water.

 

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay]

He He - quite right Jeff.

I have just recieved my Kershaw Black Horse II folding lock blade knife. It is a most impressive piece of cutlery. In fact to test the sharpness of the blade, I have just had a nice close shave with it.

By crikey it's sharp!

It has a 4 inch blade which is made from composite steel in the tradition of the old Samurai sword makers.

So to put the matter straight, I phoned the importers of these knives. The result being that I was assured it is totally legal. The company is checked out regularly by the police. I have been assured that carrying the knife is legal and that I would never have a problem if I had it in my pocket.

With one exception and that is not to take it onto a plane with me!!

I now feel a lot better knowing I am not breaking any law.

 

[Rodney Wrestt]

"I have been assured that carrying the knife is legal and that I would never have a problem if I had it in my pocket."


Do they mean when fishing Ron or are they saying you can carry it in general?

 

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay]

What I am saying is that you can carry it any time you want, except when boarding a plane.

 

[Julian Parkin 2]

Richard

I agree with you he was right to confiscate the knife. But why give it back? I couldn't get at any of the fans in the ground, but back on the street they were all around. I am not a violent person so had no intentions of using it. It just semed an odd way to protect everyone.

I never retrieved the knife after the game anyway.

 

[Wolfman Woody]

"you can carry it any time you want"

I wouldn't put it to the test though, Ron.



"Composite steel"? A composite of iron and carbon is steel. The Japanese method of making Samurai blades is to heat, stretch, fold, hammer, cool and bless with Saki. After 40 times of doing that you end up with over 8 billion laminations and that's what give them a superior cutting edge and strength.

 

[Ron 'The Hat' Clay]

What I really meant to say Jeff is that a top class blade is harder on the edge, where more carbon is used and flexible in the rest of the blade to give strength.

When I did my GCE in workshop theory and practice in 1957, I hade to harden and temper a blade in the old fashioned Sheffield way.

An old teacher of mine used to say that the finest blades were made in Sheffield, Toledo and Osaka. Even today there are just a few and I mean a few - Sheffield craftsmen making some of the finest blades in the world.

But you will pay a fortune for such a knife. The Japanese perfected the mass production of quality knife blades. Kai is one such company which makes the Kershaw knives. Another top Japanese company is Ici-cut.

As a Sheffield born person I was brought up with the art of blade making. My Grandad worked for Vickers, as initially a hand roller and finally as a mill manager.

Somehow the great art of sword and knife making has been lost in this country.

 

[Phil Hackett PCPL with Pride]

Ron I really don?t see your point about folding knives without a lock being dangerous, they are designed to be cutting knives. If you?re using them for sticking (as into skin) then yes the blade on the cheap and cheerful ones will fold up on you. But they ain?t designed for that!
If because the person using them can?t keep the blade sharp enough to cut through the underbelly of a fish without out stabbing into it, then I suggest they learn to sharpen a knife properly so it does.

In 20+ years in the slaughtering industry, I nor anyone else who worked in that industry need to stab hide to break open a carcase. It was and still is done by cutting using the full length of the blade.

The only time you needed to ?stick? a knife in was and is, when bleeding an animal, and those are purpose made specialist knives for the job.

I?ve had a Swiss army knife (a real one, Victronox, not a Jap crap one) for over 20 years, I?ve used it for every thing from skinning to wood whittling and never had the blade close on me ever. One occasion and to prove a point, I used it to dress and butcher a whole pig.

?Kai is one such company? As for their butchery and slaughtering knives they?re shite Ron! As were all the Jap knives. Only two companies made consistent quality knives - Tailors Sheffield and Victronox Switzerland.

 

[ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)]

William Rodgers (Sheffield) made some of the best butchers knives

 

[Wolfman Woody]

The most dangerous knife to have is a blunt knife.


I was always taught.

 

[ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)]

Sabatier made the best 'Steels' (sharpeners)

 

[Wolfman Woody]

A mate of mine bought a new knife for filleting fish once. It had "Inox" on the handle and he said what a good make they were.



Inox = (French) Stainless steel.


For filleting I have always loved my Marttini knife from Finland. It's the only knife I could cut through a thornback, skin grissle and all, without any effort whatsoever. I still have and use it in the kitchen on bigger carp. )

 

[Wolfman Woody]

I have another that's marked up "Stainless China".

It's amazing what they can do with pottery these days, init?