ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)
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That'd be a shame
OK...... relent a bit and just don't answer any of his daft questions ...........
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Origins of the "Chod" rig
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OK...... relent a bit and just don't answer any of his daft questions ...........
noknot
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I would like to see Ron's original chod rig to see how it compares to todays?
The Bone Collector
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Its a paternoster.... first used centurys ago on long lines for sea fish.
Call it what you will, silt rig, chod rig it's to all intents and purposes a paternoster with or without the boom.
End of....... unless you want to be pernickety.
Call it what you will, silt rig, chod rig it's to all intents and purposes a paternoster with or without the boom.
End of....... unless you want to be pernickety.
ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)
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Mr Cholmondeley-Corker (PaSC)
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What if it was one of those new fangled John Roberts booms? Does that still count?
Fred Blake
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Correct - relying on increasingly wobbly memory! Funnily enough I've just given my copy of 'Fisherman's Bounty' to a friend, in which Thompson describes his carp fishing experiences and illustrates the rigs and devices he came up with to solve various problems. I didn't know whether Thompson's writings were ever published before 1970 when FB came out, but if they were included in the Fishing Gazette (and if Walker was as widely read as is claimed) I'm surprised he didn't pick up on some of the concepts.
dezza
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What we were using in South Africa way back in the late 60s and early 70s was nothing more than a paternoster with a short hook link. The lead sank into the silt on the bottom and the bait laid on the top of the silt, held up by the hook link.
The whole bag of tricks was cast out and the rods placed in two rests pointing slightly upwards. A bobbin of dough was placed on the line beyond the rod tip to act as a preliminary indication of a bite and to maintain a degree of tautness.
The term "Paternoster" is Latin for "Our Father"(the Lord's Prayer) and refers to certain items on a Rosary as any Roman Catholic will tell you. Any fishing rig which incorporates a short hook link is a paternoster, a much better term than "chod" which is rather distasteful when you think about it.
The term "chod" was probably created by some of the young carp fishing idiots, wanting to be different, when in reality the paternoster rig goes back hundreds of years to times before Walton.
The whole bag of tricks was cast out and the rods placed in two rests pointing slightly upwards. A bobbin of dough was placed on the line beyond the rod tip to act as a preliminary indication of a bite and to maintain a degree of tautness.
The term "Paternoster" is Latin for "Our Father"(the Lord's Prayer) and refers to certain items on a Rosary as any Roman Catholic will tell you. Any fishing rig which incorporates a short hook link is a paternoster, a much better term than "chod" which is rather distasteful when you think about it.
The term "chod" was probably created by some of the young carp fishing idiots, wanting to be different, when in reality the paternoster rig goes back hundreds of years to times before Walton.
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noknot
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Indeed,
However the mechanics of the "chod" rig is in the link, now that is very different!!!
However the mechanics of the "chod" rig is in the link, now that is very different!!!
The Bone Collector
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dezza
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I don't see how it is. The basic principle is a paternoster, one of the oldest ways of rigging a hook known to man.
The Bone Collector
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Chop a few inches off the length and give it a new name..........
Sheesh
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No........
Fred Blake
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Don't see, or don't want to? The chod is a 21st century refinement of the short rig, itself a 1990's adaptation of the 1970s silt rig, which in turn derives from the ancient paternoster principle.
The chod is effective on two fronts; firstly the way it allows a bait to be presented over soft mud, weed or debris - which owes its efficacy to the paternoster as you quite rightly say - and secondly the shape of the link itself and the way the bait is mounted. The latter quality is also utilised in the chod's immediate ancestor the stiff-hinged rig (and, to varying degrees, in the earlier spring rig and the reverse combi rig) and revolves (quite literally) around the combination of a stiff link, an aggressively angled hook and the ability to rotate 360 degrees around the pivotal axis of the hook point.
This combines to make it almost impossible for a carp to avoid getting hooked if it takes the bait into its mouth (and that still remains a big IF) and the hookholds are usually very secure, with the point through the centre of the bottom lip. Not only do very few carp fall off with this set-up, but they suffer minimal damage.
None of this owes anything to the paternoster principle.
Frothey
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Errmmmmm, if you call a bloke in his mid 40's (at the time) young - Rob Maylin came up with it "Crappy Horrible Old Detritus" to describe the bottom he was fishing over iirc and it became a Yatelyism, naming a rig after it came later and I don't think that Maylin even used the rig. Terry Hearn openly points out that the Chod rig wasn't his idea, he was shown it in the "carp form" by Frank Warwick who used it for distance fishing on the silty northern meres (after using it on the beaches). Likewise the Hinged Stiff Rig was another rig attributed to him that was another anglers, but again, it's not his fault people attribute rigs that he uses to him.
noknot
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Indeed, as I stated.
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Thanks' Fred for your great explanation.
Mr Cholmondeley-Corker (PaSC)
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In Graham Marsden and and Count Wintle's Carp fishing book the chod rig is not shown as a fixed paternoster. The lead is tied to the end of the mainline and the short hook link is tied to a swivel that is free to slide up and down the mainline.
How is the fish hooked if it swims towards your rod and slides the hook link along the mainline?
How is the fish hooked if it swims towards your rod and slides the hook link along the mainline?
The Bone Collector
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That is why they call it a paternoster, a fixed paternoster, a sliding paternoster, a semi fixed paternoster, the helicopter and other variations are all paternosters.
Any hooklength that comes off the mainline at right angles regardless of its length long or short is termed as a paternoster.
Hook mechanics your having a laugh.
Even if you play about with the hook arrangment swiveling or fixed or make the hooklength a hinge, a combi, sliding or whatever it is still......still......a paternoster.
What is a silt rig? what is a chod? what is a helicopter rig, what is a breamer?
All different names given to the paternoster with a minor tweak here and there.
Todays specialist market led by the, media and writers like to put new names on products, rigs, bait and scores of other bits, its called commercialism and helps sell more stuff especially to the unwary.
Its like the emporers new clothes, why call it the old fashioned paternoster when something new is better.......
and will sell more.
Give me a break. :wh
The paternoster has been around for centurys and a tweak here and there will not change its name.
REALLY.
Regarding the sliding swivel (I have not read the book sorry Graham) I suspect that it may have intended to show a bead above and below and secured with a sliding stop knot maybe power gum above the top bead. In other words a revolving paternoster or helicopter or anything else you want to dream up.
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Rodney Wrestt
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'ello Matt, to answer your question rather than just scoff, a rubber float stop or bead is set at a preferred distance from the weight, the link slides up to it and that's what the fish hooks itself against.
The Bone Collector
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Where is Matt scoffing? I can't see him scoffing.
Rod Rest if you read his post he was simply asking a question.
Maybe the picture or diagram was overlooked in the rush to get the book out.
Maybe you should read post more slowly, like the other day when you thought I was talking about Graham our ex ed.
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Didn't say Matt was doing the scoffing, maybe you should read the post properly, I'm so glad you don't use big words or I'd be proper f***** like.
Cakey
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glad I dont fish the f******g paternosegay chong rig ha ha ha