Ultrabite in the shops now!

[David Granger]

or was it geff buchnall !!hey it was forty years ago ive soaked up a lot of trout
pellet juice since then ....and what with my bowels.....er who am i?

 

[GrahamM]

Just slipping back to the topic that started this thread, my mate went into a local tackle shop today and he said that all the counter hands were trying like crazy to sell Ultrabite to everybody who walked though the door. He said he got the distinct impression that they were over-anvious to sell it.

My guess would be that due to all the hype the tackle dealers have all overstocked with this new wonder bait and are now finding that not all anglers are mug enough to believe everything they read. They're probably scared of being left with a lot of expensive bait on their shelves, and at ?10 a shot they must be standing out a hell of a lot of money.

It's going to be interesting to see how all this pans out because, like I've said before, if it's no different than all the other wonder baits that have gone before it somebody's going to end up very rich and others with a lot of egg on their face.

If it is anywhere near as genuine as we are being led to believe then umpteen millions of fish are going to end up with damaged mouths due to millions of anglers offering them baits they can't resist.

I'm sorry, and it goes against my usual practise of trying something before I voice an opinion, but in spite of never having tried this bait, I'm prepared to go on record now and say what a load of b*******!

And you'd better pray that I'm right, because if I'm not then it spells the death of fishing. Make anything too easy and most people will go and find something more interesting to do.

 

[Carp Angler]

Below is an extract from a mail I sent to some friends a while back, judge for yourself......




Guys.....

Possibly of some interest to you.
I've been doing a bit of research into this Ultrabite fantastic fish catcher bait additive thingy.
Ultrabite has been set up as a joint venture between CEFAS (Govt. sub department of DEFRA) and Kiotech, who are a small commercial company who specialise in "odour biotechnology" and do research into medical diagnostics, therapeutics and cosmetics.

Below is an extract from a press release of one of their fantastic and ground breaking products.
I think the bait additive market is in safe hands, don't you?


...and finally...

Do you want to smell like Brad’s ‘pits? Kiotech International have just developed Xcite! facial wipes, a human pheromone concoction which is supposed to make you smell more attractive to anyone within a three foot radius... “users were described as friendlier, warmer and more inviting” says George Dodd, a Biochemist and smell scientist. If they prove popular then we might find Eau-de-famous-fanciables on our supermarket shelves. However, Rick Neave, a biological psychologist has splashed refreshing cold water on the product “…Once the wipes have mingled with the sweat produced on a dancefloor, they might be as unappealing as the urine-like stench of stale body odour”

 

[David Granger]

theres always been "wonderbaits " there was a stuff for putting on bait when sea fishing
the bees knees the salesman told me .....you could see the stuff wash of soon as it hit
the water the only thing it stuck to was your hands, you smelt like brixham trawler for days.
then there was this french bait in little tubes people swore by it others swore at it!!!...then there was this miracle
groundbait many years ago called pomenteg i think all the top anglers used it! it was crap most of it
floated away for the ducks .miraclebaits are like floats made to catch the angler rarely the fish but if it does work....!!!!!

 

[GrahamM]

The sad thing is that a lot of anglers who can't really afford it will be rushing off to the tackle shop with their tenners clutched in their sweaty palms thinking they can buy a bag-up.

Successful fishing will ALWAYS come down to possessing a good sound knowledge of fish behaviour gained from experience, along with being at the right place at the right time, and a slice of luck.

 

[Carp Angler]

A BIG slice of luck, which I believe makes up about 70% of the equation.

 

[Steve Baker]

The record carp came out on a bit of foam! (i know its not that simple), Right place right time, right bait and hard work (summer only for me) and maybe a little luck that whats fishings about for me.

 

[Andrew Thomas]

I seem to recall the pubic hair of the fairer sex being touted as THE deadly ingredient for fly tieing.

Business partners anyone??

 

[David Granger]

i`l take a gross (is it pick yer own?)

 

[David Granger]

any way ultrabrite was out years ago !!! i prefer smokers powder

 

[Rodney Wrestt]

The adverts for this additive features top-flight match and specialists who have caught the same size and bigger catches on bait such as hemp, maggot caster and corn. The one in A.T. shows Dave Harrell with a net of carp, are we to believe that this man who is one of the best river float anglers around has suddenly lost the ability & knowlege to be able to put together a net of fish and now relies on this Ultrabite, would he have blanked if not for this additive? I think not. ;-}~

 

[Chris Bishop]

I think we're getting this a bit out of proportion.

Remember some of the wonder gimmicks of years gone by - like the Mabby..? What about the fuss when feeders first came out..? Or fixed spool reels..? Or bait boats, drifter floats etc etc..?

Or some of these super-baits..? Mystic (the french one in the tube that was meant to look like bloodworm...), pilchard oil (I remember being slipped a bottle by my uncle when I was about 12 and being told to rub it on my lures but not to tell a soul as it was illegal...), pike groundbait (yep, this came out a couple of years ago...).

 

[Mike Parker]

Let me make it plain right from the start I dont believe that anything catches better that watercraft and location! I was given (OK I threatened someone if they didnt give me some) a vial of the general coarse fish 'stuff' which I tried out on the river last Saturday. Heres my obseration.
Top off the vial - I always thought pheromones were supposed to be subtle this stuff has the finesse of a smack in the mouth! Now as fishermen we are used to some pretty awful smells but this really made me think that if I was as sloppy as I normally am I would have to strip off virtually naked put the clothes in a poly bag in the car boot - before you ladies out there get exited (I cant say I'd blame you tho) at the thought of me driving home almost naked, experience has taught me always to take a spare set of clothes fishing - (You never know when you might get wet 'rescuing' one of the anti-angling brigade or even fall/slip in). Would my partner really belive that I had been fishing or with some 'mucky' woman?
Anyway, I fished for 3 hours with a drop of ultrabite on my hook bait (bronze maggot) result one Dace. I changed to my usual bread flake, no ultra bite, 1st cast 1.8 kg chub followed shortly by a 2.2 kg Chub. I then put some ultrabite on the flake result sod all. Back to plain flake and maggot more Chub and Roach
Hardly a scientific trial - my conclusion is to distill out the alcohol and use the alcohol to clean your hands before eating your sandwiches on the bank. It is just a gimmick - besides if Ultrabite plays on the spawning instinct surely they wont be interested in food?!

 

[Rodney Wrestt]

Mike,
Perhapse your bread secreated the secret "Factor Y" which is slightly more potent than the "Factor X" used in UltraBite. Did you think of that? ;-}~

 

[David Will]

Have to agree with Mike.As i mentioned earlier i was given a tester of the Carp version.Have used it three times. Once on an easy water (no difference in catch rate usual 3 doubles) a medium water result blank , though I was getting numerous liners
and lastly on a hard lake.I usually manage a fish on this lake. On the occasion i tried ultrabite i experienced a blank despite varying levels of activity in the swims i fished over three days.In the past activity in the swim on this lake results in a run or two.Now I am not daft enough to expect miracles from this or any other 'flavour'.What I was interested in was the claims on the packet which talks about a positive response 'every time'.I never expected this nor was I disappointed.
Now none of what I did was scientific in any way but I certainly will not be shelling out 10 quid. I would also like to know how Matt Hayes Martin Bowler and Dave Harrell have faired with ultrabite.In addition there has not been one single review of the stuff in any mag I have read. Usually there is a pre release flood of tackle/bait to magazines , in this case not one.

 

[Lewis Murawski]

chris, that bloodorm out of that tube was the dogs wotsits, as far as ultrabite goes, ofcourse its legal, enough said, but the debate on whether it works will be a long and wasteful one, for the simple reason no angler can compare to another whether it works or not? angling ability is immeasurably, and subsequently so are baits used by successful anglers (if that makes sense), and MAFF did fund some of the research into fish behaviour as far as i am aware, but i doubt very much whether they funded the actual product.

 

[David Will]

What gets me is the advertising.It say's ultrabite attracts fish into a swim and evokes a response every time.I accept what Lewis is saying but the way this stuff is being marketed ignores angling ability.
The reason why MAFF would get involved is to develop a substance for fish farming.They want something that will get all the farmed fish eating at the same time. This is less wasteful , more efficient in terms of rearing and less harmful to the local environment.This very commendable but look who is paying for the research now!

 

[Rob Brownfield]

Lewis..read my original question..I stated that I beleived it was illegal for TROUT and SALMON flies...and since they do a version specifically for dousing flies with...well...thats why i posed the question.

MAFF and various other organisation have indeed done research into fish behaviour...but that common knowledge and the papers can be bought for a small fee...so nothing towards the 3 million pounds supposidly spent.

 

[Lewis Murawski]

all i am saying is rob, these people would have more sense than to be breaking any laws, its obvious that with so much money supposedly being placed into a product they would have checked any jurastrictions carefully.As far as the actual product stimulating sexual vibes in a fish? bit dodjy one may feel.

 

[Kevan Farmer]

So, the next question is who will be going to Trading Standards or the Advertising Complaints Authority. I know that this is only a small sample of anglers and hardly representative but.... surely if it worked the way the manufacturers claim the catches would have been a lot higher.

Kevan