NFA Conference 2004

[Nigel Connor(ACA ,SAA)]

John,

I'm afraid you have missed a great opportunity here.

Angling politics is an area I, & I am sure others on here, may have wanted to learn more about in so far as it impacts on issues such as cormorant control,pollution etc.& even become involved.You are obviously close to the pulse & you could have taken the chance in a considered manner to highlight current issues of interest & concern to you in a similar way to Barrie Rickards.

Your increasingly personal & vitriolic attacks have I am certain, had exactly the opposite effect & quite frankly do you no service at all.

 

[Frothey]

ok, so it was you then john! so how long did it take you to come out with that stunningly witty reposte?

yaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnn

 

[Frothey]

shouldnt this go to the bait box? the only "debate" we seem to get on this is whats between phils ears, how boring/long jeffs letters are and how big a plonker john is.

nearly been as good as one of rons "kill all carp" threads!

 

[Matthew Black]

Nigel, you are quite correct.

But I am amusing myself and having fun.

Yes, I know, I am very sad.

Graham, I refuse to apologise for your fellow Fishing Magic members as I can't be held responsible for their incredibly bad behaviour.

I am sure they will come round soon enough and humbly grovel at your feet ... and mine of course!

Woodhouse, I object to being called 'little', not once but twice, the rest of it is fine though.

Are you related to the old biddy that used to train dogs?

I suspect that you would know plenty about trains as you are clearly an anarak.

Where is the dog conection though?

I just don't know what magazines you are going to read this summer 'Woody Woodpecker' as apart from Coarse Fisherman, I write for Midland Angler, Match Fishing, Southern Angler (new mag), and .... no I won't bore you any further.

Why don't you stick to penning long, boring letters, as that seems to be your forte, apart from from your obvious skill in the world of masturbation!

Frothey, how come you know I've got a big plonker?

Where have you been hanging out lately?

Strange lot on here, especially Cheeky Monkey, who is probably looking for a new tree with ripened bananas!

Tune into Fisherman's Blues (10.89MW) on Sunday morning between 7.00am and 8.00am and hear how Tim Marks and the 'Gudgeon Society' got slaughtered.

PS: If this thread is yaaaaaaaawn and boring, why are you sados posting comments?

 

[Frothey]

i was just tired, its all the hanging out round the docks, as well you know (thats how i know ). its all rum, bum and baccy down there....

ps. well done john, not a single swear word! did you get many people send you pictures?

 

[pete proctor]

I'm surprised Cheeky Monkey let himself get drawn into such a juvenile slanging match with such an arrogant individual like Matthew Black aka John Wright. Its not as though anyone is debating with someone who knows how to debate in a proper manner. And CM seems to be able to debate without all that silliness when he isn't provoked.

Its a shame that John Wright has to put his points across in such a childish way, for it just takes away the real value (if there is any) behind his words. But we'll never know what they are because its hard to see past the schoolboy jibes.

I wondered for a while just why the SAA (and the rest of the 'Gudgeon Societies' as he calls them) hadn't responded, but I think I know why now.

They probably knew what was coming and realised that you can't possibly debate with a self centred juvenile.

 

[GrahamM]

"Graham, I refuse to apologise for your fellow Fishing Magic members as I can't be held responsible for their incredibly bad behaviour."

Now now John, don't try to drag me into this 'debate', I've got better things to do. Somebody's dog just shit at the top of my drive.

 

[Wolfman Woody]

You're quite right Peter, I thought we were having debate, but I realise that's impossible with a p******d.

Now I shall take the advice of my Aunty Barbara and treat winos like dog sh**e and step around it.






Sorry about that too Graham - no more I promise.

 

[Matthew Black]

Graham, are you sure it was a dog and not Phil spilling his brains out on your drive?

Of course, it could have been Woodhouse having a dump, having eaten all those bananas!

Pete Procter, I really do object to you calling me 'self-centred'.

Seeing as you all respect Graham's words of wisdom, why don't you ask him what I have put back into angling, and asked for nothing in return?

That really did hurt but back to the fun.

Woodhouse, or should that read 'outhouse', which is where most outside lavatories used to be situated, why don't you start writing features and articles for the nation's magazines?

Whoops, sorry, forgot; you'd have to open up your own publishing house as none of the monthlies or weeklies are in book form!

 

[Frothey]

moderator.......

 

[GrahamM]

No, I refuse to moderate it. There are no especially bad profanities so far and the joke is in the eye of the beholder......

 

[Matthew Black]

Graham, you are the voice of common sense, and unlike some who could be named, has a sense of humour.

Frothey, aren't you on the wrong web site?

No one asked you to 'play' ... did they?

Let's get back to the main thrust of the thread then, as the bishop said to the prostitute while she was darning his underpants!

The NFA Conference 2004 this Sat/Sun has some rather delicate/dodgy/big decisions to make.

What will be the outcome should the Federation pull out of the Moran Committee and the NAA and even become a corporate body?

Does anyone care?

I know, I shouldn't have asked that last question, but whatever you feel about my views on this topic, the answers to these questions are very important to the future of our sport.

Whatever you may think of me, I do have the 'eyes and ears' (if that is the right expression?) of many who could have a huge influence upon angling in the future.

I'll ask the question for one last time:
Exactly what are YOU doing to secure the future of our sport?

Answers on the back of a postage stamp please!

 

[Nigel Connor(ACA ,SAA)]

John,

In a perhaps vain attempt to restore some credibility to this thread, some questions:

What exactly is the Moran Committee?

What does the NAA do & what does it do the NFA doesn't.

Why does it matter if the NFA pulls out of both?

If these are issues anglers should be concerned about, can you explain why?

A considered response would be appreciated.

As I posted before , some interesting issues might be raised on this thread if you cut the personal stuff.

 

[Phil Hackett 2]

"Phil, haven't you got any other tune to sing or is the needle stuck yet again?"

No as these are very real and pertinent issues that need dealing with now! Not when the NFA thinks they may affect angling, which in my experience would be sometime never.

So what’s your answer to those questions then Mr Wright?
Given you are the self-appointed, non-elected spokesperson for the NFA.

Tell me, what have YOU done for the sport of angling?

Actively involved in all the above list and trying to find solutions to them.

In furtherance to that -
Tell me, what have YOU done for the sport of angling?

Actively involved in all the above list, and trying to find solutions to them.
In furtherance to that -
? Encouraging young people to take up Angling.
? Giving advice to members, clubs, etc about ecological matter.
? Input into the development of a waterways strategy for M/c so anglers have their voice heard and counted.
? Writing technical submissions for SAA and it members to
Fisheries Action Plans (FAPS)
Biological Action Plans (BAPS)
Reviewing Catchment Abstraction Management Plans and making comments/recommendations where need.
? Involvement in local clubs and syndicate. None of which are thankfully NFA members
? Researching the dynamics of barbel stocks on the Ribble
? Writing articles and contributions for this site and others.
Not a bad list is it for someone who you describe as having no brain cells?

And what have you done for angling other than line your pockets through writing and taking expenses for sitting on the CAG from the NFA gravy train?
And no I don’t, and never have taken expenses for any of the work I do or have done for SAA or clubs. I fund it out of my own pocket and do it for totally altruistic reasons as a commitment to a sport I love.

 

[Phil Hackett 2]

NFA becoming a corporate body? Your having a laugh!

A corporate body needs to be well run so people invest in it. It has to be responsive to its shareholders and customers needs.
It has to do things for those two sectors, which at times compete and differ in their views, aims and objectives.
Failure to manage and balance these means it goes under.
Law of the marketplace and all that!

As a second thought, it might not be a bad thing, as it should take about 12 months for it to go bang, and then we’re rid of it forever. Emmm now there’s a thought!

If on the other-hand, you’re talking about a Trust Limited by Guarantee. Then it will have to get it through the Charities Commission.

Oh dear I can feel an objection coming on!

And guess what? Through your ramblings over the years about gravy trains, bad management and failure to act, etc you’ve given me plenty of ammunition to write it.

Now that what I call smart!

 

[GrahamM]

"What am I doing to secure the future of my sport?"

I don't do enough probably, in a practical way, not these days, except maybe try to keep the peace on this website between the warring factions.

Maybe that's a lot. Maybe that's the hardest job of all. It feels like a big job anyway.

 

[Andy "the Dog" Nellist]

Nigel

The reference to the Moran Committe was with regards to its findings and recommendations on Cormorants which to anyone who has had experience of Cormorants wreking hteir fishery seemed to miss the point entirely and make suggestions for dealing with Cormorant that would never work. What should have been an objective report seemed to have taken a stance based on what was percieved to be acceptable to the general public and various non-angling pressure groups.

The Moran Committee itself:

"Chaired by Lord Moran, past Chairman of the Salmon & Trout Association, the Moran Committee is the united voice for all the main fisheries and angling organisations in England and Wales, and aims to reach consensus views on fisheries issues.

When the Labour Party came to power in 1997, they ordered a complete review of all fisheries legislation. A review committee was formed, under the Chairmanship of Linda Warren, and S&TA?s then Chairman, Lord Moran, and staff determined that we would closely monitor the work of the Warren Committee and feed as much information into it as possible. Other leading angling and fisheries bodies, thirteen in all, were invited to form an advisory and monitoring group to shadow the legislative review, and this became known as the Moran Committee.

The Moran Committee produced consensus written and oral evidence at every stage of the review process. The importance of its work transpired when the Government published its response to the review, for they mentioned just two fisheries bodies in that document; the Environment Agency (EA) and the Moran Committee. The Moran Committee continues to lobby the Government over fisheries legislation, together with the Environment Agency over fishery policy and their reorganisation. S&TA provides the secretariat for the Moran Committee.

Members: Anglers? Conservation Association, Angling Trades Association, Association of Stillwater Game Fishery Managers, Atlantic Salmon Trust, Commercial Coarse Fisheries Association, Institute of Fisheries management, National Association of Angling and Fisheries Consultatives, National Federation of Anglers, National Federation of Sea Anglers, Salmon & Trout Association, Specialist Anglers? Alliance, Welsh Federation of Coarse Anglers Ltd, Welsh Salmon and Trout Association."

 

[Frothey]

my mum said i could go out to play john, and this looks like where all the big boys play. can i be in your gang?

ps. did you get many photo's?
pps. you need a grammar book now. "Graham, you are the voice of common sense, and unlike some who could be named, has a sense of humour." - surely you should have written "Graham, you are the voice of common sense, and unlike some who could be named, HAVE a sense of humour". i really would expect more from someone that has edited articles and letters to such a high standard....

 

[Matthew Black]

Wrote it in a rush Frothey when also trying to write my fishery reports for a magazine that actually pays me money. Sorry!

As for the rest of you, including Graham, must dash as dinner is in the oven and I'm supposed to be cooking it.

The lovely Colleen is upstairs putting on stockings and suspenders in readiness.

Candles are lit and wine has been poured.

Ask Graham for any furthur information as he knows the lady very well indeed!

 

[Matthew Black]

Sorry, Nigel, Frothey, Graham, Phil and Andy Pandy, I hit the button too soon ... got quite excited.

Graham will understand though!

Will reply tomorrow if time permits between writing my Conference speeches.

Shouldn't take too long to say 'something off' should it?

Now that is debate for you.

Pity you can't come along to the party as none of you have been invited ... bit like the SAA, it's members only.

Ta-ta!