The bad one
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I have read it for YOUR information, and Sam who’s out there on a regular basis thinks on your infrequent visits, you’re over-playing it on the Swale. I’ll take that from Sam because his are long-term experiences. Yours….infrequent at best!I think you ought to read the thread again mate......at no time during this thread have I blamed the clubs for what is possibly happening on the rivers or for bagging the best stretches of the rivers....I have simply stated what I know to be FACT. Before I enter any further into this reply...I would think that the rent for a stretch of water put in some landowners hand in a lump sum by some angling club president... and the fact that the landowner doesn't have to collect it on a daily basis from DT anglers is also an extremely strong reason for the landowners decision to lease as opposed to DT...don't you think?....well, it is according the landowners I have spoken to over the years. (they are probably a different breed to the ones you have spoken to eh?)
For your information...I am a member of 2 clubs and it may rise to a possible 3 next year. You need to understand that I am trying to create a debate here on a subject that is apparently real no matter who is to blame if anything or anybody at all and that is what I was hoping to discuss......the REASON......if indeed there is one. You seem to think that I believe the reason is the clubs......which really is laughable ....I think it runs much deeper than that...the guys in my clubs are not having much success either. All I am trying to do here is search for a reason for a general lack of success for a good few anglers.... if there is one.
Just because I was defending the day ticket fishermen you automatically thought I was one....You seem to be of the opinion that all DT anglers are yobs and litter louts which although I agree that those type of anglers do exist....I would argue that there are far more that are not....they simply cannot afford the upfront fees that a club often demands. Despite being a member of 2 clubs I do not think it is right for the clubs to cherry pick all the best stretches seemingly of every river in the country, leaving the dregs to the country's DT anglers despite having many of their own club stretches of rivers totally barren of anglers on many occasions....They deserve some decent day ticket river fishing and not have to travel the country's length and breadth to get it either.
Like I said ....you should read the whole thread before making ill informed posts like yours......
Maverick
Are there problems on other rivers? Yes! And if care to look you’ll see they have been discussed ad-nosium on here with much input from me, whilst you were off on another site moderating wasn’t it? You have brought nothing new to the party that hasn’t already been discussed before.
“Also yes, it would be about 15 years when the Black Bull stretch went to the syndicate (what a waste of a great stretch of river).....I fished that place for the previous 35 years...on and off at least. I also think you might find there is quite a lot of club controlled stretches on the Swale and some WILL allow you to fish day ticket but only on certain stretches...which I believe are stretches not considered to be very productive or favoured by the members of the clubs concerned.”
You did write that above didn’t you? Because Sam sure as didn’t? Clubs are there to look after their members interests, as I’ve told you, not the interests of those who won’t commit. Any concession they give to DTs is theirs and theirs alone. All the bleating in the world isn’t and won’t change that or take it away from them. If you want to fish the lengths you can’t on DT well join the club, it’s that simple.
And please don’t attribute words I didn’t write! I did not say “all” DT anglers cause Sh*te! I said the owners I’ve spoken to down the years have cited that as the reason they leased their lengths to a club(s). And the reasons for that to me are good…. cow swallows plastic bag, cow needs a vets operation 3k to remove it from it’s intestines. Sheep lacerates leg on tin can…..sheep needs a vet to visit to give it antibiotics 200 quid, fence broken down horses escape onto the road….time spent rounding them up at a minimum. At worst, a major accident horse and people killed. And so the list goes on!
Ah but are you in the right clubs? Because the two I’m in offers me around 200 river lengths from Hereford to Cumbria, all for 180 quid per year or put in DT prices £3.46p a week but neither offer DTs thankfully!
And again you’re writing word I did not write. Show me where I said you think it all down to the clubs?
Here’s a little antidote - a good friend of mine (yes I do have a few) who’s a salmon angler has been fishing a length of a river one of the clubs has recently take on, he's has had 15 salmon off it this year and talking to other salmon anglers as I do, they say it’s cr*p, rubbish, doesn’t hold any fish and don’t know why we took it on. Dare I say it tells me more about them and their skill set than it does about the fishing.
You may not think it right or fair that clubs in your view cherry picking lengths (a view you entitled to hold) but life isn’t fair, we live in a country that runs a market economy, not a “Socialist Utopia” and therefore clubs have to take cognisance of that and operate shrewdly within it. And the better clubs do by securing leases for their members. And within that market economy when they have those leases, it’s up to their members whether they fish them or not. To think that good well run clubs don’t monitor their gained assets as to the usage each one gets is laughable. I can assure you they do, as an unused asset is dead money for the club its members that can always be put to better use. Who knows the owner when dropped might even run it as a DT length….. But I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for it to happen if I were you!