Is it me or Has River Fishing Generally Declined?

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I think you ought to read the thread again mate......at no time during this thread have I blamed the clubs for what is possibly happening on the rivers or for bagging the best stretches of the rivers....I have simply stated what I know to be FACT. Before I enter any further into this reply...I would think that the rent for a stretch of water put in some landowners hand in a lump sum by some angling club president... and the fact that the landowner doesn't have to collect it on a daily basis from DT anglers is also an extremely strong reason for the landowners decision to lease as opposed to DT...don't you think?....well, it is according the landowners I have spoken to over the years. (they are probably a different breed to the ones you have spoken to eh?)

For your information...I am a member of 2 clubs and it may rise to a possible 3 next year. You need to understand that I am trying to create a debate here on a subject that is apparently real no matter who is to blame if anything or anybody at all and that is what I was hoping to discuss......the REASON......if indeed there is one. You seem to think that I believe the reason is the clubs......which really is laughable ....I think it runs much deeper than that...the guys in my clubs are not having much success either. All I am trying to do here is search for a reason for a general lack of success for a good few anglers.... if there is one.

Just because I was defending the day ticket fishermen you automatically thought I was one....You seem to be of the opinion that all DT anglers are yobs and litter louts which although I agree that those type of anglers do exist....I would argue that there are far more that are not....they simply cannot afford the upfront fees that a club often demands. Despite being a member of 2 clubs I do not think it is right for the clubs to cherry pick all the best stretches seemingly of every river in the country, leaving the dregs to the country's DT anglers despite having many of their own club stretches of rivers totally barren of anglers on many occasions....They deserve some decent day ticket river fishing and not have to travel the country's length and breadth to get it either.

Like I said ....you should read the whole thread before making ill informed posts like yours......

Maverick
I have read it for YOUR information, and Sam who’s out there on a regular basis thinks on your infrequent visits, you’re over-playing it on the Swale. I’ll take that from Sam because his are long-term experiences. Yours….infrequent at best!
Are there problems on other rivers? Yes! And if care to look you’ll see they have been discussed ad-nosium on here with much input from me, whilst you were off on another site moderating wasn’t it? You have brought nothing new to the party that hasn’t already been discussed before.

“Also yes, it would be about 15 years when the Black Bull stretch went to the syndicate (what a waste of a great stretch of river).....I fished that place for the previous 35 years...on and off at least. I also think you might find there is quite a lot of club controlled stretches on the Swale and some WILL allow you to fish day ticket but only on certain stretches...which I believe are stretches not considered to be very productive or favoured by the members of the clubs concerned.”

You did write that above didn’t you? Because Sam sure as didn’t? Clubs are there to look after their members interests, as I’ve told you, not the interests of those who won’t commit. Any concession they give to DTs is theirs and theirs alone. All the bleating in the world isn’t and won’t change that or take it away from them. If you want to fish the lengths you can’t on DT well join the club, it’s that simple.

And please don’t attribute words I didn’t write! I did not say “all” DT anglers cause Sh*te! I said the owners I’ve spoken to down the years have cited that as the reason they leased their lengths to a club(s). And the reasons for that to me are good…. cow swallows plastic bag, cow needs a vets operation 3k to remove it from it’s intestines. Sheep lacerates leg on tin can…..sheep needs a vet to visit to give it antibiotics 200 quid, fence broken down horses escape onto the road….time spent rounding them up at a minimum. At worst, a major accident horse and people killed. And so the list goes on!

Ah but are you in the right clubs? Because the two I’m in offers me around 200 river lengths from Hereford to Cumbria, all for 180 quid per year or put in DT prices £3.46p a week but neither offer DTs thankfully!

And again you’re writing word I did not write. Show me where I said you think it all down to the clubs?

Here’s a little antidote - a good friend of mine (yes I do have a few) who’s a salmon angler has been fishing a length of a river one of the clubs has recently take on, he's has had 15 salmon off it this year and talking to other salmon anglers as I do, they say it’s cr*p, rubbish, doesn’t hold any fish and don’t know why we took it on. Dare I say it tells me more about them and their skill set than it does about the fishing.

You may not think it right or fair that clubs in your view cherry picking lengths (a view you entitled to hold) but life isn’t fair, we live in a country that runs a market economy, not a “Socialist Utopia” and therefore clubs have to take cognisance of that and operate shrewdly within it. And the better clubs do by securing leases for their members. And within that market economy when they have those leases, it’s up to their members whether they fish them or not. To think that good well run clubs don’t monitor their gained assets as to the usage each one gets is laughable. I can assure you they do, as an unused asset is dead money for the club its members that can always be put to better use. Who knows the owner when dropped might even run it as a DT length….. But I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for it to happen if I were you!
 

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Fair enough Sam.......

....and yes, please delete the River Don on that equation....you're right, it is better now than it was 20 years ago....but not better than it was 10 years ago....and you're right again it WAS a sewer of a river but that was getting on for 25 - 30 years ago...it is a fine river now and hopefully should go on and continue to thrive...despite the dip in fishing at the moment.

I have visited the Wye again twice in the last 2 years and although it was better than the Trent has been....it was still pretty abysmal for such a supposedly well stocked river.

I am sure there are valid reasons for it but I wish I could overcome it....if that is possible.

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I see the same anglers fishing the same baits in exactly the same way in the same swims year after year and when not catching blaming everything from EE's to otters to conditions not being absolutely perfect. As someone else has already posted, fish for what's in front of you and you may be surprised..
Also change and adapt your approach, think about baits especially size, and above all else be flexible in your attitude as what worked last year doesn't necceserally work this.
A lot of Barbel anglers are a prime example of entrenched blinkered views when it comes to baits. It's either 15mm boilies, pellets or meat in all conditions fished in exactly the same way year after year.
 

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Been down to the trent a few times this season and struggled using the usuall barbel baits as mentioned above by judas and after speaking to the bailif was told the anglers a few fields down were battering the barbs using maggot and caster which goes to show i didnt use my head this year ?
A river were all our club members used to have some good bags of chub and roach are mainly catching trout nowadays nkw some of these guys can catch in an empty bucket so its nothing were doing wrong but the ea have just stocked a few thousand silvers to try and get it back to how it was after testing the water for a while
Also people just do the same every cast of every session "because it always catches me fish" i laugh at these remarks as fish do move around vacate some areas for a good while before returning and a river is a continuing changing place so we have to evolve with it otherwise you may as well as stick to commies

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I see the same anglers fishing the same baits in exactly the same way in the same swims year after year and when not catching blaming everything from EE's to otters to conditions not being absolutely perfect. As someone else has already posted, fish for what's in front of you and you may be surprised..
Also change and adapt your approach, think about baits especially size, and above all else be flexible in your attitude as what worked last year doesn't necceserally work this.
A lot of Barbel anglers are a prime example of entrenched blinkered views when it comes to baits. It's either 15mm boilies, pellets or meat in all conditions fished in exactly the same way year after year.


Totally and utterly agree with you Judas...and that is why I do EXACTLY as you have suggested in this post.....at no time did I say I was uing the same swims, the same bait and the same method. I know you haven't said that but I thought I would mention it just to clarify things. When I am struggling I do all kinds of things to improve my day...but these days it seems harder than usual to pull things round.

I do an awful lot of stick float fishing....I love catching chub and roach...I am not, by any stretch of the imagination an out and out barbel angler so although I totally agree with what you say Judas....it really doesn't apply to me.

Maverick

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No, but you can aspire to it. They have lowered the standards of entry recently.

Hahahaha.....brilliant.

Wondered when you would put your four penn'orth in.....a little snap at the ankles and you're off like the little whippet under the stairs you are.

(note the Yorkshire speil in that post....thought I would lower the standards even more)

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I have visited the Wye again twice in the last 2 years and although it was better than the Trent has been....it was still pretty abysmal for such a supposedly well stocked river.

I am sure there are valid reasons for it but I wish I could overcome it....if that is possible.

Maverick

"a supposedly well stocked river."
Well if that's your opinion of the Wye, I'm sorry to say, you're going struggle on most rivers. Unless you were trying to avoid catching chub and barbel?
 

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"a supposedly well stocked river."
Well if that's your opinion of the Wye, I'm sorry to say, you're going struggle on most rivers. Unless you were trying to avoid catching chub and barbel?

It is not an opinion....the well stocked river statement is fact according to what the local people tell me ...and that is why the fish in there are not that big...a low double being a very good fish...apparently.

....but if that is what you think....why don't you tell me where I could be possibly going wrong and offer me some tips to improve my technique / method or something...which, after all is what I am asking in this thread.

What a great, friendly forum this is.....I love it!

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I suspect that you've got the wrong end of CG74's stick. You made the "supposedly well stocked" comment. It sounds very much like you doubt it. I believe that you seeming to doubt the veracity of it being well stocked is the point. As I suggested before, whilst I can't speak with authority on rivers I don't fish regularly any longer, I have difficulty believing that so many anglers are prepared to travel so far to fish the Wye (and Trent) if it's quite as awful as you feel it is.
 

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It is not an opinion....the well stocked river statement is fact according to what the local people tell me ...and that is why the fish in there are not that big...a low double being a very good fish...apparently.

....but if that is what you think....why don't you tell me where I could be possibly going wrong and offer me some tips to improve my technique / method or something...which, after all is what I am asking in this thread.

What a great, friendly forum this is.....I love it!

Maverick

Exactly what do you think the fish stocks are like in the Wye and exactly what do the locals say about the stocks?

Because your posts seem to contradict each other. This one reads like the stocks present are good, whereas the statement; "a supposedly well stocked river." in the previous one suggests an element of doubt.
 

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I fished the Wharfe, Don, Dearne and Derbyshire Derwent since around 1973 until 2011 and think that the fishing on all those rivers has improved in that time.
 

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I suspect that you've got the wrong end of CG74's stick. You made the "supposedly well stocked" comment. It sounds very much like you doubt it. I believe that you seeming to doubt the veracity of it being well stocked is the point. As I suggested before, whilst I can't speak with authority on rivers I don't fish regularly any longer, I have difficulty believing that so many anglers are prepared to travel so far to fish the Wye (and Trent) if it's quite as awful as you feel it is.

Fair comment Sam.....I see your point. The reason for the "supposed" element of the statement is that I don't really know if it is well stocked or not but the locals tell me it is or has been stocked on a fairly regular basis....so I "suppose" it must be well stocked ....that is how it should have read but as I say...I do see that it can be read the other way around....if you know what I mean.

Both visits to the Wye was for 5 days on each occasion (otherwise I wouldn't have gone)......the Trent is 40 minutes away from my house....and I don't think there are as many anglers on both those rivers as you might think Sam. There was whole stretches of the Wye totally barren of anglers when we went down in September...the best time of year for barbel and the same applies to stretches of the Trent too although there are some stretches that are more popular than others...but even those are not packed like they used to be.

You know yourself Sam that when you go fishing there is always the expectation of a great day on the river but if it isn't .....there is always the next time....So you keep going until you have that great day or you reach the point that I have and then you start to wonder if it is all worthwhile.....and then you say to yourself......of course it is....it's a great day out, fish or no fish.

Maverick

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I fished the Wharfe, Don, Dearne and Derbyshire Derwent since around 1973 until 2011 and think that the fishing on all those rivers has improved in that time.

Thanks nicepix.......that is the type of reply I am looking for...now I know it must be me and river fishing could still be OK although I am surprised you fished the Don in 1973...to use Sam's words, I believe it was no more than a sewer river in those days. The Don is across the road from where I have worked for the last 40 years and I first started fishing it in 1994....although I am sure it was fishable long before then...but I didn't think it would have been 20 years before then....but I could be wrong.

Whereabouts did you fish the Don nicepix?...I would be interested to know..maybe I have been missing something on there.

I have never fished the Dearne and only once each for the Wharfe and Derbyshire Derwent so I wouldn't know about those rivers but if all of those have improved then I am sure many more will have as well.

So....what am I doing wrong nicepix?....I am doing roughly the same as I have always done and what most anglers do ....feeder fished with the advised bait and I am constantly revising my rigs...I consider myself reasonably adequate with watercraft and I ALWAYS build a swim up. I use the best line money can buy and the same goes for my other terminal tackle...If all that goes wrong, then I revert to my stick float fishing and I do have a modicum of success with the smaller silver fish but not the chub.

Any advice will be greatly received mate....:eek:

Maverick

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Exactly what do you think the fish stocks are like in the Wye and exactly what do the locals say about the stocks?

Because your posts seem to contradict each other. This one reads like the stocks present are good, whereas the statement; "a supposedly well stocked river." in the previous one suggests an element of doubt.

Yes..you're right CG......I should have worded it better...please read my reply to Sam, hopefully it will explain the angle from what I was trying to say.

Maverick
 
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The Don wasn't polluted above the industrial zone. Similarly, the Dearne's upper reaches held trout and some coarse fish back in the 70's.
 

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Theres an article in the Anglers Mail this week about the Trent. Under the banner of the 20 best venues or something like that. I didn't read it properly and it did not mention specific venues but, it gave the impression that it was a much improved river, a great venue to fish and listed the species-barbel to 16lb, roach to 3lb etc. I dont know anything about the Trent, but it might be worth a look. Just thought I would mention it.
As to Mavs question, I dont know, two rivers I regularly fish that are part of the same river system, therefore very similar in geography, one has declined and one has improved over the last 10 years.
One observation, parts of rivers change subtly over time that we don't notice. One bit of river I fish, the marginal weed growth has decreased a bit, probably because of the silty water and higher levels of the last few years. At a glance it would not appear to be much but, this might be the reason I don't catch any tench there now whereas 5 years ago, I caught many. . Also erosion can change the flow of a section; especially around bends which barbel like. not enough that we would notice but, maybe enough for a shoal of barbel to vacate a section and find a flow more to their liking. I don't know if this happens, just thinking aloud but, it could be one of the reason why some sections fish well and then appear to decline.
 
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Fair comment Sam.....I see your point. The reason for the "supposed" element of the statement is that I don't really know if it is well stocked or not but the locals tell me it is or has been stocked on a fairly regular basis....so I "suppose" it must be well stocked ....that is how it should have read but as I say...I do see that it can be read the other way around....if you know what I mean.

Both visits to the Wye was for 5 days on each occasion (otherwise I wouldn't have gone)......the Trent is 40 minutes away from my house....and I don't think there are as many anglers on both those rivers as you might think Sam. There was whole stretches of the Wye totally barren of anglers when we went down in September...the best time of year for barbel and the same applies to stretches of the Trent too although there are some stretches that are more popular than others...but even those are not packed like they used to be.

You know yourself Sam that when you go fishing there is always the expectation of a great day on the river but if it isn't .....there is always the next time....So you keep going until you have that great day or you reach the point that I have and then you start to wonder if it is all worthwhile.....and then you say to yourself......of course it is....it's a great day out, fish or no fish.

Maverick

Yes..you're right CG......I should have worded it better...please read my reply to Sam, hopefully it will explain the angle from what I was trying to say.

Maverick

I'll be honest I've never heard about any coarse fish stockings being undertaken on the Wye, trout and salmon yes, but not coarse fish.
I was under the impression barbel that were stocked into the Lugg had headed downstream entering the Wye just below Hereford - leading to the best barbel fishing being (roughly) between Hereford and Ross on Wye.

Regardless of how the fish got to be in the river, they're in there and there's plenty of them... As Sam asked why would so many travel there if stocks were poor.

Chub are very plentiful especially in the 2-4lb weight range, but with the odd fish going to well over 7lb (that I've witnessed). There's a sometimes seemingly endless number of barbel in the 4-8lb bracket but with doubles starting to turn very regularly, the best I've had being a tad over 12lb. I can't really comment on silver fish as I don't fish for them. I know in the Hereford town reaches there are some BIG carp, I think they go to 40lb+ and when a pod of three were sat in front of me, the biggest looked every bit a 40.

One key thing with the Wye is the fact that it's not impounded so the fish are free to migrate at will and even though I don't believe vast shoals of chub and barbel swim up and down the river between Hereford and Ross.
They can and do move away from high levels of angling pressure but if the pressure is reduced for a few days, they'll return en masse and if there's a good few kilos of anglers bait on the river bed, they'll clear it up, holding them on a stretch longer.

Techniques, as I've already said I don't target silver fish but I'm told in winter they shoal up in or near to towns, which is very plausible as this is the case on the Severn and Thames.
So my techniques tend to revolve around fishing with a feeder or bomb.

If you're happy catching chub and/or barbel, when you arrive in the area make your first port of call the local tackle shop, especially if you're within 10miles of Hereford, Woody of Woody's Tackle is an oracle when it comes to anything to do with the Wye. He'll tell as much or as little as you could ever want, with what I've said about the effects of angling pressure in the back of your mind and a bit of angling know-how you'll catch!

If you need or want more details like which swim, what bait etc, send me a PM.
 

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One observation, parts of rivers change subtly over time that we don't notice. One bit of river I fish, the marginal weed growth has decreased a bit, probably because of the silty water and higher levels of the last few years. At a glance it would not appear to be much but, this might be the reason I don't catch any tench there now whereas 5 years ago, I caught many. . Also erosion can change the flow of a section; especially around bends which barbel like. not enough that we would notice but, maybe enough for a shoal of barbel to vacate a section and find a flow more to their liking. I don't know if this happens, just thinking aloud but, it could be one of the reason why some sections fish well and then appear to decline.

Fair point. The floods of 2007 & 2008 totally changed the topography of the Dearne and many including myself suffered a major drop in our barbel catches compared to the previous years. Some anglers I spoke to believed that the fish had gone for ever. But, I know of two anglers who between them have caught over 15 different double figure barbel from a relatively short length of river, and I also know of two different 14lb fish having been caught in the last few years. Those fish didn't get that size overnight. They were the same fish we were catching prior to the floods. It was just that they weren't to be found in the same places and due to the changes they weren't as easy to catch in daylight hours. The fish were the same, but the methods required to put them on the bank were different.
 

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I'll be honest I've never heard about any coarse fish stockings being undertaken on the Wye, trout and salmon yes, but not coarse fish.
I was under the impression barbel that were stocked into the Lugg had headed downstream entering the Wye just below Hereford - leading to the best barbel fishing being (roughly) between Hereford and Ross on Wye.

Regardless of how the fish got to be in the river, they're in there and there's plenty of them... As Sam asked why would so many travel there if stocks were poor.

Chub are very plentiful especially in the 2-4lb weight range, but with the odd fish going to well over 7lb (that I've witnessed). There's a sometimes seemingly endless number of barbel in the 4-8lb bracket but with doubles starting to turn very regularly, the best I've had being a tad over 12lb. I can't really comment on silver fish as I don't fish for them. I know in the Hereford town reaches there are some BIG carp, I think they go to 40lb+ and when a pod of three were sat in front of me, the biggest looked every bit a 40.

One key thing with the Wye is the fact that it's not impounded so the fish are free to migrate at will and even though I don't believe vast shoals of chub and barbel swim up and down the river between Hereford and Ross.
They can and do move away from high levels of angling pressure but if the pressure is reduced for a few days, they'll return en masse and if there's a good few kilos of anglers bait on the river bed, they'll clear it up, holding them on a stretch longer.

Techniques, as I've already said I don't target silver fish but I'm told in winter they shoal up in or near to towns, which is very plausible as this is the case on the Severn and Thames.
So my techniques tend to revolve around fishing with a feeder or bomb.

If you're happy catching chub and/or barbel, when you arrive in the area make your first port of call the local tackle shop, especially if you're within 10miles of Hereford, Woody of Woody's Tackle is an oracle when it comes to anything to do with the Wye. He'll tell as much or as little as you could ever want, with what I've said about the effects of angling pressure in the back of your mind and a bit of angling know-how you'll catch!

If you need or want more details like which swim, what bait etc, send me a PM.

What an excellent, informative post that is CG....

As I said earlier ..I don't know one way or the other whether it has actually been stocked or not but one or two of the guys on the Hereford town stretch tells me it has....This was last year by the way... and I did manage 3 barbel on the day that I got the information. I have had some good fish in my time on various rivers...my best barbel being 15lb 1oz from the Trent but that was 4 years ago now and I have many 10lb ers but strangely enough nothing between 10lb 12oz and the big 15lb one.

Funny thing was about the Trent where the big one was caught....it was at Thrumpton and that venue has ALWAYS produced many, many barbel for almost as long as I can remember....a good 20 years at the very least and it was always extremely snaggy due to the sunken wall that exists there and all the rubbish that comes down in a flood holding up in that area. Nowadays, you can't seem to be able to buy a bite there ....things do certainly change don't they....but I haven't given up on that place just yet as one of my clubs run that stretch.

I have visited Woodys on a few occasions and as you say the guy is extremely helpful...

Thanks for the invitation CG but it will be next September when we next see the Wye so I will get in touch then if you don't mind....I am really grateful for your help mate.

By the way CG....this years venue on the Wye was at Lucksall Caravan Park if you know that place....beautiful campsite and there was 4 of us but out of the 5 days...lots of small chublets was caught but only 4 barbel between us which I know is pretty poor for a river of that quality. Like I said CG it must be me....I reckon I'm losing it big style.:eek:mg:

Talk to you later...

Maverick

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Theres an article in the Anglers Mail this week about the Trent. Under the banner of the 20 best venues or something like that. I didn't read it properly and it did not mention specific venues but, it gave the impression that it was a much improved river, a great venue to fish and listed the species-barbel to 16lb, roach to 3lb etc. I dont know anything about the Trent, but it might be worth a look. Just thought I would mention it.
As to Mavs question, I dont know, two rivers I regularly fish that are part of the same river system, therefore very similar in geography, one has declined and one has improved over the last 10 years.
One observation, parts of rivers change subtly over time that we don't notice. One bit of river I fish, the marginal weed growth has decreased a bit, probably because of the silty water and higher levels of the last few years. At a glance it would not appear to be much but, this might be the reason I don't catch any tench there now whereas 5 years ago, I caught many. . Also erosion can change the flow of a section; especially around bends which barbel like. not enough that we would notice but, maybe enough for a shoal of barbel to vacate a section and find a flow more to their liking. I don't know if this happens, just thinking aloud but, it could be one of the reason why some sections fish well and then appear to decline.

Hi Mark.......I guess you're right with that assessment...and I know that not all venues are fishing poorly but I am certain there a quite a few that are....and my gut feeling is that the heavy rainfalls of the past few years and the falling numbers of anglers on the bank are a major contribution. Of course I can only speak of my own experiences and the venues I fish but I have really never known it like this before.

I am not the greatest angler in the world by any stretch of the imagination but I usually do OK on most rivers I fish but not of late....Like I said to CG....it is most likely me...I am getting too old...forgot my landing net the other week...:eek:mg:

.......not that I needed it.

Maverick
 
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I fished the Wharfe, Don, Dearne and Derbyshire Derwent since around 1973 until 2011 and think that the fishing on all those rivers has improved in that time.

I fish the middle Wharfe regularly. On the sections I fish there has been a sharp fall in barbel catches over the last five years. Chub catches have fallen as well.

There was a meeting a few years ago, attended by the EA, Angling Trust and various clubs to discuss the problem.

http://www.wetherbydistrictanglingclub.co.uk/River Wharfe Anglers Association Meeting.pdf

I've got a copy of the EA#s Evidence pack for the Middle Wharfe. Significant water management issues include heavy metal pollution in the Wharfe (related to the old mining areas on the moors ), and the effect of reservoirs (both water extraction and irregular compensation water flows) on the river.
 
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Shock horror!! populations of various species in an environment change over time!!!

The Trent is absolutely solid with smaller roach and dace ... did you see the results of the Division 1 national on there - record average weight for the championship.

The Wye chub population can be VERY shoaled up ..... especially when the river is low and clear. You can catch 70 pounds on one peg and struggle on the next ..... and they are not in every peg. On many pegs you will bag up on the float but struggle on the feeder. Also the barbel feed better when the river is up and coloured .... and they spread out ..... pretty much like any river. The Wye has also had a silver fish explosion this year .... hordes of tiny dace that will be really good for match fishing in about 2 years time.

There are generally far fewer chub on all of the rivers that I fish than there were in the 80s and 90s (Great Ouse, Warks Avon, Thames, Trent, Severn, Wye). Equally the barbel explosion on all of these has peaked and numbers seem to be diminishing (except perhaps the Wye).

As a match angler who enjoys catching roach and dace, I'd say the rivers are better now than they have been in a long time. The fish are even back at the town lengths of Severn at Shrewsbury (look at the pitiful results there 4 years ago).
 

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I fish the middle Wharfe regularly. On the sections I fish there has been a sharp fall in barbel catches over the last five years. Chub catches have fallen as well.

There was a meeting a few years ago, attended by the EA, Angling Trust and various clubs to discuss the problem.

http://www.wetherbydistrictanglingclub.co.uk/River Wharfe Anglers Association Meeting.pdf

I've got a copy of the EA#s Evidence pack for the Middle Wharfe. Significant water management issues include heavy metal pollution in the Wharfe (related to the old mining areas on the moors ), and the effect of reservoirs (both water extraction and irregular compensation water flows) on the river.

An interesting post Keora......do you think this pollution has affected any other rivers in the area besides the Wharfe?

Maverick

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Shock horror!! populations of various species in an environment change over time!!!

The Trent is absolutely solid with smaller roach and dace ... did you see the results of the Division 1 national on there - record average weight for the championship.

The Wye chub population can be VERY shoaled up ..... especially when the river is low and clear. You can catch 70 pounds on one peg and struggle on the next ..... and they are not in every peg. On many pegs you will bag up on the float but struggle on the feeder. Also the barbel feed better when the river is up and coloured .... and they spread out ..... pretty much like any river. The Wye has also had a silver fish explosion this year .... hordes of tiny dace that will be really good for match fishing in about 2 years time.

There are generally far fewer chub on all of the rivers that I fish than there were in the 80s and 90s (Great Ouse, Warks Avon, Thames, Trent, Severn, Wye). Equally the barbel explosion on all of these has peaked and numbers seem to be diminishing (except perhaps the Wye).

As a match angler who enjoys catching roach and dace, I'd say the rivers are better now than they have been in a long time. The fish are even back at the town lengths of Severn at Shrewsbury (look at the pitiful results there 4 years ago).

With all due respect Silvers.......I think we are all aware that things change over periods of time and the thread is not particularly aimed at silver fish either although for me...and I suspect a number of other anglers....they are good back up fish (for the want of a better phrase) on the stick if the chub and barbel don't show.

It is good that you think the fishing has never been better for the silver fish but in my experience there are also plenty of stretches on the Trent where silvers are very thin on the ground too....despite the recent results you have quoted. However, I think where some venues are concerned as there does seem to be an awful lot of silvers on some stretches on the Trent....even though in many cases I would say no more than there has been in the past though.

If I am right about what you are saying Silvers, it seems that you agree that the chub and barbel appear to be diminishing but silvers are thriving....if so, I am in some agreement with you....but only where SOME sections of the Trent is concerned. As far as silver fish are concerned ...the Trent seems very much like it has been for the past 10 years or so...certainly on the stretches I fish anyway....not bad ...but not that brilliant either. There has been times this year for me where silvers was simply not present...and I think it is getting worse for the bigger species too.

Maverick
 
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